Fox Studios' WOLVERINE 3 - LOGAN starring Hugh Jackman (2017) 8 8

[Bosco685]

1 hour ago, kav said:

He didn't come across as savage to me -mostly a sickly whiner and running away all the time.

I'd say he was more than that at times.

 

1 hour ago, Logan510 said:

So, would this be more the Epic Comics version or the MAX comics version of Wolverine?

When he does cuts loose (remember, he is old and broken at this point), he reminds me of the old savage Wolverine you would see in Havok & Wolverine: Meltdown. Popping two claws to let you know what you were messing with - then the third to leave the reminder permanent if you pushed him. But near the end, is where he really turns it up. But that is not for you to read yet if you are going to see this.

Edited March 12, 2017 by Bosco685

[FlyingDonut]

You guys do understand that Kav is trolling you right? If we all hated this movie, Kav would have loved it. That's how he rolls.

Edited March 12, 2017 by FlyingDonut

[kav]

12 minutes ago, FlyingDonut said:

You guys do understand that Kav is trolling you right? If we all hated this movie, Kav would have loved it. That's how he rolls.

No.  And pls stop trolling me.  Plenty of movies people liked I aslo liked and stated such eg avngrs, captain america etc.  And plenty of movies people hated I also hated eg Man of steel, daredevil, batman v superman.  Run along now.  I criticised the movie but made no personal attacks.  Thats what trolls do.  Thats what you do.

Edited March 12, 2017 by kav

[Darkowl]

1 hour ago, kav said:

He didn't come across as savage to me -mostly a sickly whiner and running away all the time.

I disagree. Wolverine was old, exhausted, and mentally done with life. He had legitimate reasons for his attitude and complaining. It's very different from whining. Besides, after everything that he had been through, I wouldnt even blame him for whining If he did. He didn't run away all the time either. There were several times where he stood his ground and confronted the enemy. One could also argue that Logan seemed to be on the run, because he didnt want prof x to be caught up in the crossfire, so getting away from all the danger was the safest route possible. 

Edited March 12, 2017 by Darkowl

[kav]

Just now, Darkowl said:

I disagree. Wolverine was old, exhausted, and mentally done with life. He had legitimate reasons for his attitude and complaining. It's very different from whining. He didn't run away all the time either. There were several times where he stood his ground and confronted the enemy. One could also argue that Logan seemed to be on the run, because he didnt want prof x to be caught up in the crossfire, so getting away from all the danger was the safest route possible. 

Now that makes sense.

[kav]

Ps I do not think the movie was bad.  I give it a C+.  Bad would be the idiotic amazing spiderman 2 with electro and the birthday party.  F- for that one.

[Bosco685]

Wow! And this is without an International Box Office update (due tonight).

[Straw-Man]

14 hours ago, FlyingDonut said:

You guys do understand that Kav is trolling you right? If we all hated this movie, Kav would have loved it. That's how he rolls.

dan, i plan to read a book on cooking and then come on and tell y'all how wrong you are about the dishes you like.

[kav]

1 hour ago, Straw-Man said:

dan, i plan to read a book on cooking and then come on and tell y'all how wrong you are about the dishes you like.

Not a book you'll have to read a dozen books at least and re read them several times.

[Comicopolis]

It is a brutal movie - and deeply emotional. I think people may be confusing 'depression' with 'sadness' when trying to describe how it makes you feel.

It also has a life affirming message running through it about family, friends and friendship.

[Bosco685]

Turns out the International Box Office results were much stronger than originally assumed. Including a massive China take.

Logan is now showing the second best Revenue Ratio (4.5X production budget) for a Fox-Marvel movie - ever - behind Deadpool (13.5X).

[kav]

This movie is kicking spoon no doubt about it

[Lonzilla]

I saw it Friday night and loved it! It invoked memories of my favorite Clint Eastwood westerns, mostly Unforgiven of course. Logan falling down and not being in the best fighting shape was much like Will trying to get onto a horse after so many years of being out of the saddle.

I wouldn't even call it a "superhero movie" If not for the 2 characters with adamantium claws, the crazy old telepath, the albino tracker and those creepy kids with powers. Post apocalyptic western horror noir is the best description I could give it.

Heading into seeing it, I thought about how they could do the Old Man Logan story  without using the Disney property Marvel heroes and villains, and do it right; without it looking like something and someone was obviously missing. They nailed it perfectly and I wouldn't change a thing, even the running time didn't feel long to me because I was so interested in seeing what was coming in the next scene.

No easter eggs to hunt down spec books, no push to sell toys or happy meals, no after credit scene to hype up the next chapter. They made the movie they wanted to do in the exact way they wanted and critics and audiences are applauding with good reason. I'm not going to bother talking about the last X-Men (which I didn't see), but after Deadpool and Logan, FOX is a force to be taken seriously and they are raising the bar higher by doing things differently. Disney/Marvel and especially Warner/DC should pay close attention

[Mr Sneeze]

42 minutes ago, Lonzilla said:

I saw it Friday night and loved it! It invoked memories of my favorite Clint Eastwood westerns, mostly Unforgiven of course. Logan falling down and not being in the best fighting shape was much like Will trying to get onto a horse after so many years of being out of the saddle.

I wouldn't even call it a "superhero movie" If not for the 2 characters with adamantium claws, the crazy old telepath, the albino tracker and those creepy kids with powers. Post apocalyptic western horror noir is the best description I could give it.

Heading into seeing it, I thought about how they could do the Old Man Logan story  without using the Disney property Marvel heroes and villains, and do it right; without it looking like something and someone was obviously missing. They nailed it perfectly and I wouldn't change a thing, even the running time didn't feel long to me because I was so interested in seeing what was coming in the next scene.

No easter eggs to hunt down spec books, no push to sell toys or happy meals, no after credit scene to hype up the next chapter. They made the movie they wanted to do in the exact way they wanted and critics and audiences are applauding with good reason. I'm not going to bother talking about the last X-Men (which I didn't see), but after Deadpool and Logan, FOX is a force to be taken seriously and they are raising the bar higher by doing things differently. Disney/Marvel and especially Warner/DC should pay close attention

It's been a week for me and this movie still weighs heavy in my thoughts. Great post and how refreshing in response to your comment which I bolded.

[drotto]

Finally saw it, and I agree it is actually a very simple movie about loss, family, hope, but most importantly redemption. Logan saw the rise of mutants, the heyday of mutants, as well as their fall. He sees himself as a failed hero, who was unable to stop the fall.  He sees himself as unworthy of being the last mutant, because he is fundamentally flawed having killed many people both just and unjust. He has failed his friends, as well as Chuck, who in his mind is the only person matters. Despite all of his short comings he manages to find his humanity at the end and become the hero Xavier always knew he was. A true hero is willing to lay down his life for somebody else, and in this case not just Laura, but the hope for the future.

 

This simplicity for me is why the movie works.

Edited March 13, 2017 by drotto

[Darkowl]

Two really good posts by Lonzilla and Drotto!

[the blob]

On 3/10/2017 at 11:30 AM, Gatsby771 said:

Also - kudos to James Mangold - who was credited not only as director, but primary screenwriter and producer on this. I've loved him going all the way back to Heavy & Girl, Interrupted, and have seen all of his films except Cop Land.

Two questions:

1) Having not read the comics story, are we to believe this different enoough that it wasn't based on Old Man Logan after all?

Notably, I saw Mark Millar wasn't credited as one of the three writers on this film, the way he was for Civil War.

2) To the extent a mutant extinction event was alluded to (the "Westchester" thing), it was Professor X, not Logan responsible. Right?

Other than being old and broken down and there being a lot of driving I don't think the movie had much to do with the comic.

Would love the see the comic made, but because of conflicting movie rights over hawkeye and the hulk it will never get done.  a whole family of inbred hillbilly hulks?  awesome!

[the blob]

I saw the movie with my son yesterday an liked it.  We laughed, we cried.

 

Is it perfect?  No.  The idea that these reavers seem to have absolutely no interest in preserving their own lives and just keep on running into claws to get slaughtered seems dumb.

And while Lauren speaking spanish and picking up some english makes sense (and her speaking a mile a minute when she finally does speak is funny), why do most of the other kiddies seem to be americans?  weren't they all hatched in the same lab with mexican surrogate mommy/nurses taking care of them, shouldn't they all be speaking spanish with a little bit of english?

And since charles seems to have some control over his powers when he wants to, why doesn't he just put all the baddies to sleep?

I do like how they made Caliban a three dimensional character and such.  Loved the "glorified truffle pig" comment.  Maybe my X-Men 148s will sell again!

 

 

[the blob]

On 3/12/2017 at 11:32 AM, Bosco685 said:

Wow! And this is without an International Box Office update (due tonight).

Other than maybe salaries and royalties, I wonder why this cost $40 million more to make than Deadpool?  Deadpool would seem to have required more expensive CGI and what not, had about as much mayhem and murder.  I guess filming at the casino would have been expensive with all those extras.

 

Always surprised by the international numbers.  I know international involves 10X as many potential movie goers, but I always figure so many would have no interest in american super hero movies (particularly deadpool..less so logan I guess), ticket prices are a heck of a lot lower, and in many countries they just bootleg the movie and pay nothing.

[Bosco685]

1 hour ago, the blob said:

Other than maybe salaries and royalties, I wonder why this cost $40 million more to make than Deadpool?  Deadpool would seem to have required more expensive CGI and what not, had about as much mayhem and murder.  I guess filming at the casino would have been expensive with all those extras.

At one point, Tim Miller mentioned part of his contribution was donated time and support from Blur Studios (the SFX company that created the movie intro scene, and so much more).

With the director change, so goes the Blur Studios free time. Potentially. Which could mean we see that production budget jump up.