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amatta   
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Quick question: in the 80s i had a few books signed by George Perez (internally)

If I submit to CGC, how will this be handled? I've seen blue label w a notation, but is there a policy? is there a grading deduction for the writing?

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Hello, 

 

 The only way a comic can get our Signature Series authentication is if the book is actually signed in front of a CGC witness, employee, or through a CGC facilitator, and we immediately accept the comics for grading.  That way we know with 100% certainty that the signature is authentic.  If you don’t have a witness at the time of the book getting signed, unfortunately we would not be able to authenticate the signature.

When CGC is present at a Comic Con, we will have witnesses available at the CGC booth that will walk with you to witness a signature.  Go to the CGC booth before getting a signature and ask to have a witness escort you.

We have witnesses available at multiple Comic Cons throughout the year to help you get your books signed and witnessed properly. You can find a complete list of the comic cons we will be attending at http://www.cgccomics.com/events

 

We do not accept COA's as proof of signature as they are easily forged. We would recommend that you keep possession of your COA as we do not encapsulate them with your book.

 

Your signed comics, if graded, would get our green Qualified label with a notation of "Name written on cover in marker" with no assertion of who may have signed the comic.  By giving your comic our Qualified label, we are ignoring the signature for purposes of the grade. 

 

Please let me know if I may assist you with anything further.

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amatta   
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thanks Bree - quick follow-up, I am assuming that the same procedure applies for books signed on the inside pages?

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Bree   
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Hi, 

 

Books that have a signature on an interior page will not be Qualified, and therefore have the writing factored into the grade. An interior signature usually has a very minimal affect on the grade, and a small, neatly-placed signature on an interior page can often still achieve a 9.8 (assuming of course that the book is otherwise a  9.8 already).

 
Although the book would get a Blue Universal label, it will still state (in lowercase) "Name written on 1st page in pen." (or whichever page it happens to be).

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On 2/24/2017 at 11:29 AM, Bree said:

Hi, 

 

Books that have a signature on an interior page will not be Qualified, and therefore have the writing factored into the grade. An interior signature usually has a very minimal affect on the grade, and a small, neatly-placed signature on an interior page can often still achieve a 9.8 (assuming of course that the book is otherwise a  9.8 already).

 
Although the book would get a Blue Universal label, it will still state (in lowercase) "Name written on 1st page in pen." (or whichever page it happens to be).

So it doesnt 'give the name' just that something is written there?  or would it say .. Stan Lee written on the first page in pen" 

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Hi Bree,

Thanks for this answer - I was actually going to ask this as well. In what cases would an interior signature be given a "qualified" grade? Or should we just expect in the future that a signature on the interior page would be given the universal label with the notation?

Thank you

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I also wonder about an apparent  signature on the interior front cover.

Ive just acquired Great Comics 1 with LB Cole’s signature.

How are these older artist’s, who have long passed away, signatures treated, are there protocols for signature matching?

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On 3/16/2018 at 6:11 PM, devco said:

I also wonder about an apparent  signature on the interior front cover.

Ive just acquired Great Comics 1 with LB Cole’s signature.

How are these older artist’s, who have long passed away, signatures treated, are there protocols for signature matching?

I'm not sure what you are asking. CGC does not attempt to authenticate these signatures. 

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revat   
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  • We have unpaid interns to hold each slab on display.  Since light is bad for comics, they mostly sit in the dark.  Come to think of it, there's probably no good reason we make them hold the slabs above their heads.
18 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said:
On ‎3‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 4:11 PM, devco said:

I also wonder about an apparent  signature on the interior front cover.

Ive just acquired Great Comics 1 with LB Cole’s signature.

How are these older artist’s, who have long passed away, signatures treated, are there protocols for signature matching?

I'm not sure what you are asking. CGC does not attempt to authenticate these signatures. 

they are treated as defects if you want the universal blue label, or ignored if you want the qualified green label.  As stated by Bomber-bob CGC does not attempt to authenticate or 'match' any signatures. 

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In my instance, my X-men 94 was signed by claremont and mcleod on the first page, but NOT noted on the blue label.  The notes do however mention the signatures.

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10 hours ago, youfoundjake said:

In my instance, my X-men 94 was signed by claremont and mcleod on the first page, but NOT noted on the blue label.  The notes do however mention the signatures.

Sounds like a CGC oversight. You lucked out, not sure what you are asking. There is certainly nothing to complain about.

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19 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said:

Sounds like a CGC oversight. You lucked out, not sure what you are asking. There is certainly nothing to complain about.

Oh, not asking anything, just sharing my experience in relation to OP's question.

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I can’t seem to make a new post via my phone... but in a similar light to this question, why is it that I can’t send a book in that is already signed, to the person who has previously signed the book, and that count as a signature witness? 

I have a book with a Stan lee sig that is sealed with a COA and holographic seal, and I am willing to pay for ANOTHER Stan lee signature, but it seems I can’t do that. Just curious as to why. If the book is in front of him, and he has already signed it... shouldn’t that count if there is a verified witness there?

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  • We have unpaid interns to hold each slab on display.  Since light is bad for comics, they mostly sit in the dark.  Come to think of it, there's probably no good reason we make them hold the slabs above their heads.
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5 hours ago, DreGarciaTat2 said:

I can’t seem to make a new post via my phone... but in a similar light to this question, why is it that I can’t send a book in that is already signed, to the person who has previously signed the book, and that count as a signature witness? 

I have a book with a Stan lee sig that is sealed with a COA and holographic seal, and I am willing to pay for ANOTHER Stan lee signature, but it seems I can’t do that. Just curious as to why. If the book is in front of him, and he has already signed it... shouldn’t that count if there is a verified witness there?

How can Stan or the CGC witness be sure that the book was actually signed by Stan?  Stan is in his mid-90's with variable eyesight, signatures, and health.  Even though it's Stan's sig, he's not a skilled signature or handwriting expert. How could he be sure, and how interested  or skilled would he even be in verifying it?  And then what if everyone wanted to do that?  Don't you think that's a pretty slippery slope? 

"Hey Stan you signed my comic in 1972 on the street in Manhattan just before you got into a cab, that's why the sig is kinda off.  Is it or is it not yours?  By the way, here's $150 for your time.  Also, my mom was with me, and she signed this affidavit saying she witnessed it.  Also, you're 94 with failing eyesight."  That should be good enough for a CGC witness?   What does CGC have to gain from that?  Their business model is creating the highest possible standard for their signature witnessing, its not THEIR problem that they've hurt the value of NON-CGC witnessed sigs.  Yes they provide a service that collector's want, but its not a charity, its not altruism for the 'good of collectors', its a business for PROFIT.  What would you do if you were them?  Acknowledging the COA of companies would give legitimacy to direct competitive services.  Why would they do that?

 

Note:  You can just take it to a competitor company which costs less and wonder why their yellow labels are not worth as much.

 

Separate from your feelings and think analytically and economically.

 

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Midtown comics sell signed comics on a regular basis. Along with the comics come a little certificate that it was indeed signed by the signatory specified. Does CGC regard that little certificate as authentic and thereby subject to SS grading?

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1 hour ago, JoeDo5 said:

Midtown comics sell signed comics on a regular basis. Along with the comics come a little certificate that it was indeed signed by the signatory specified. Does CGC regard that little certificate as authentic and thereby subject to SS grading?

There's a post from CGC employee 'BREE' above where she answers the question.  Also, it is not a part of any CGC service to assess or regard the validity or authenticity of a COA.

Aside from reading through this thread which isn't too long, you should probably go to the 'noob' thread in the Signature subforum on these chat boards.

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7 hours ago, revat said:

Separate from your feelings and think analytically and economically.

 

This sums it up to a T! Thank you for breaking it down for me! 👌🏽

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On 5/11/2018 at 7:31 AM, DreGarciaTat2 said:

I can’t seem to make a new post via my phone... but in a similar light to this question, why is it that I can’t send a book in that is already signed, to the person who has previously signed the book, and that count as a signature witness? 

I have a book with a Stan lee sig that is sealed with a COA and holographic seal, and I am willing to pay for ANOTHER Stan lee signature, but it seems I can’t do that. Just curious as to why. If the book is in front of him, and he has already signed it... shouldn’t that count if there is a verified witness there?

I have almost this same question.
I had a comic signed on the cover by an artist but it was not witnessed by a CGC rep. I did not have the book graded/sealed. I would like to take the same book back and have the artist sign it again WITH the CGC witness. I would then immediately submit the book for CGC Signature Series grading.
Is this not allowed? If I had the artist sign the second time on the inside of the book, would that change the Sig Series certification?

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19 hours ago, kasdorf said:

I have almost this same question.
I had a comic signed on the cover by an artist but it was not witnessed by a CGC rep. I did not have the book graded/sealed. I would like to take the same book back and have the artist sign it again WITH the CGC witness. I would then immediately submit the book for CGC Signature Series grading.
Is this not allowed? If I had the artist sign the second time on the inside of the book, would that change the Sig Series certification?

This is not a long thread. Please read it and you will find your question is redundant, as is the answer which is NO. The CGC SS program works because they don't make exceptions. You are trying to circumvent the rules, you will not succeed. 

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2 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said:

This is not a long thread. Please read it and you will find your question is redundant, as is the answer which is NO. The CGC SS program works because they don't make exceptions. You are trying to circumvent the rules, you will not succeed. 

Thank you for your polite response. I'm not trying to game the system in any way.
You're right, the thread is not that long. However, I don't see where the specific question I asked has been covered.
But that's okay, I'll just ask a CGC rep directly.

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