AVENGERS 4: INFINITY GAUNTLET (5/3/19)
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41 minutes ago, TwoPiece said:

Yeah, I read comics, and Thor > Hulk.

Regardless of the comics, Thor > Hulk in the MCU, since Day 1. There is no amount of power that The Hulk can muster to wield Mjolnir, as an example.

They already gave you an explanation as to why the Hulk does not emerge for the rest of the film. If you have failed to recognize that, it is not Marvel Studios' (or anyone else's) duty to delve deeper. It's fairly obvious. You're not alone in this thinking, but you're in a tiny minority.

Either you didn't watch both movies enough, or you will never understand.

I simply think there might be more to this than meets the eye. We'll see.  Fun to think about ;)

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2 minutes ago, TwoPiece said:

Yeah, I read comics, and Thor > Hulk.

Regardless of the comics, Thor > Hulk in the MCU, since Day 1. There is no amount of power that The Hulk can muster to wield Mjolnir, as an example.

They already gave you an explanation as to why the Hulk does not emerge for the rest of the film. If you have failed to recognize that, it is not Marvel Studios' (or anyone else's) duty to delve deeper. It's fairly obvious. You're not alone in this thinking, but you're in a tiny minority.

Either you didn't watch both movies enough, or you will never understand.

interesting point of view. I can show you several comic events that show the Hulk has defeated Thor leaving him unconscious on the ground but it doesn't matter because ultimately it isn't what the discussion has been about in the first place.

"There is no amount of power that The Hulk can muster to wield Mjolnir, as an example." This is absolutely irrelevant. Power does not lift the hammer it is the character of the person lifting if they be worthy.

I own these movies, and have watched them both several times. What is considered watching them enough? All I know is I understand well enough that I don't like some of the things that Marvel has done in the movies, you like them. Perhaps we should leave it at that.

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2 minutes ago, Artboy99 said:

interesting point of view. I can show you several comic events that show the Hulk has defeated Thor leaving him unconscious on the ground but it doesn't matter because ultimately it isn't what the discussion has been about in the first place.

"There is no amount of power that The Hulk can muster to wield Mjolnir, as an example." This is absolutely irrelevant. Power does not lift the hammer it is the character of the person lifting if they be worthy.

I own these movies, and have watched them both several times. What is considered watching them enough? All I know is I understand well enough that I don't like some of the things that Marvel has done in the movies, you like them. Perhaps we should leave it at that.

"Whosoever holds this hammer, be he worthy, shall posses the power of Thor"... It's entirely relevant. We're talking about which character can kick the other's @$$. There are comics that swing both ways, but the majority of comic book readers will say that Thor is the more powerful character. He's a God, and currently the Allfather of Asgard. The Hulk is just an angry being powered by gamma radiation.

If you don't understand the reason why Hulk doesn't want to fight for Banner, then you haven't seen one (or both) of the movies enough, or you simply don't understand. There's a huge difference between not liking something because of its substance, and not liking something because you don't understand it. The way you're commenting, it seems like you simply don't understand. Either you don't understand the arc, the motivations, etc. Something is missing here.

I don't like drinking a lot of beer. Not because I don't like a lot of beer, or don't understand what it's like to drink a lot of beer, but because I get real gassy and full (and liquor is more fun for me).

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Banner just has a case of Hulk-tile dysfunction. It happens to some men his age. Maybe popping cialis or viagra before taking on Thanos can help Banner with that in the next movie? 

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2 hours ago, kimik said:

Banner just has a case of Hulk-tile dysfunction. It happens to some men his age. Maybe popping cialis or viagra before taking on Thanos can help Banner with that in the next movie? 

I am sure that is how Marvel will do it. :P

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Remember when Banner said something along the lines of, "I tried to kill myself with bullets, it just doesn't work, he will come out or he can't be killed."

And when he dropped out of the ship in Ragnarok, Hulk almost had to emerge, or he'd be dead. I would almost think that if there was any logical continuation, that in desperate times, all he'd need to do is try to commit suicide. I was kind of expecting he'd do something like that in Avengers IW. It's like a guaranteed insurance. Then again, I'm asking too much for logic in a comic film, I guess.

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10 hours ago, bronze_rules said:

Remember when Banner said something along the lines of, "I tried to kill myself with bullets, it just doesn't work, he will come out or he can't be killed."

And when he dropped out of the ship in Ragnarok, Hulk almost had to emerge, or he'd be dead. I would almost think that if there was any logical continuation, that in desperate times, all he'd need to do is try to commit suicide. I was kind of expecting he'd do something like that in Avengers IW. It's like a guaranteed insurance. Then again, I'm asking too much for logic in a comic film, I guess.

It was:

"In case you needed to kill me, but you can't; I know, I tried. I got low; didn't see an end, so, I put a bullet in my mouth and the other guy spit it out."

If The Hulk doesn't want to come out, and Banner tries to kill himself, then he will die.

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As a kid and adult my opinion of Hulk vs Thor has changed,similar my opinion of Frankenstein`s monster vs Dracula.

As a kid I thought

Hulk was stronger than Thor.

Frankenstein`s monster was stronger than Dracula.

As an adult now 

I find

Thor stronger than Hulk.

Dracula stronger than Frankenstein's monster.

Why did I change my opinion?

because as children we see that childlike goodness in both Hulk and Frankenstein`s monster so we can relate to them and want them to win, while as adults we realize just how much deadly power both Thor and Dracula can wield.

 

 

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I'm pretty sure Thanos already has the (purple) power stone when he fights the Hulk.  He's also shown holding a helpless Thor by the head during this time.  The power stone alone should be sufficient explanation for why a being already so powerful, who also had the element of surprise in his initial attack, could defeat such powerful heroes.  I know some people just love their Hulk and really want to make him out to be much more powerful than he really is, but I think the last two films (Thor: Ragnarok and Infinity War) had his power level just about right.

And yes, a thousand times yes:  Thor > Hulk.

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9 minutes ago, Sweet Lou 14 said:

I'm pretty sure Thanos already has the (purple) power stone when he fights the Hulk.  He's also shown holding a helpless Thor by the head during this time.  The power stone alone should be sufficient explanation for why a being already so powerful, who also had the element of surprise in his initial attack, could defeat such powerful heroes.  I know some people just love their Hulk and really want to make him out to be much more powerful than he really is, but I think the last two films (Thor: Ragnarok and Infinity War) had his power level just about right.

And yes, a thousand times yes:  Thor > Hulk.

In the MCU, the Power Stone doesn't grant physical strength. The Infinity Stones are activated by how Thanos uses the Gauntlet (which is why the Russo Bros display him closing his fist to use both the Power and Space Stones after he kills Loki). He doesn't use the Power Stone in his confrontation with The Hulk.

Also, the Russo Bros explained that Thor was so weak in the opening scene because his endurance was completely drained by his battles with The Hulk, the neurotoxin injected by The Grandmaster, and Hela in Ragnarok (makes sense). Thor is durable as f^&*, but without Mjolnir or another magical object to grant him regenerative powers (Stormbreaker), his body was at mercy.

Just a couple of elaborations...

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1 hour ago, TwoPiece said:

In the MCU, the Power Stone doesn't grant physical strength. The Infinity Stones are activated by how Thanos uses the Gauntlet (which is why the Russo Bros display him closing his fist to use both the Power and Space Stones after he kills Loki). He doesn't use the Power Stone in his confrontation with The Hulk.

Also, the Russo Bros explained that Thor was so weak in the opening scene because his endurance was completely drained by his battles with The Hulk, the neurotoxin injected by The Grandmaster, and Hela in Ragnarok (makes sense). Thor is durable as f^&*, but without Mjolnir or another magical object to grant him regenerative powers (Stormbreaker), his body was at mercy.

Just a couple of elaborations...

Interesting.  Having only seen the movie once in the theaters months ago, I am going by memory.  But I do seem to remember Thanos pressing the power stone into the side of Thor's head.  Looked like it hurt.

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8 minutes ago, Sweet Lou 14 said:

Interesting.  Having only seen the movie once in the theaters months ago, I am going by memory.  But I do seem to remember Thanos pressing the power stone into the side of Thor's head.

He does use the Power Stone to manipulate Loki into revealing The Tesseract, but he doesn't use it during combat with Hulk.

The Power Stone, obviously, further exacerbated Thor's condition.

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2 hours ago, TwoPiece said:

He does use the Power Stone to manipulate Loki into revealing The Tesseract, but he doesn't use it during combat with Hulk.

The Power Stone, obviously, further exacerbated Thor's condition.

The Russo Bros said that they had Thanos use each stone right after getting it, to show the audience what each one did. So every time he acquired a stone or was shown with a new stone, he used it in the next scene (i.e., after getting the Reality Stone on Knowhere, he used it in the fight with the Guardians). So he had the Power Stone in the beginning and did use it in that first scene, but I think yeah, it wasn't necessarily when fighting Hulk so much as it was with Loki and Thor (though it may've been while fighting Hulk also).

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5 hours ago, Sweet Lou 14 said:

I'm pretty sure Thanos already has the (purple) power stone when he fights the Hulk.  He's also shown holding a helpless Thor by the head during this time.  The power stone alone should be sufficient explanation for why a being already so powerful, who also had the element of surprise in his initial attack, could defeat such powerful heroes.  I know some people just love their Hulk and really want to make him out to be much more powerful than he really is, but I think the last two films (Thor: Ragnarok and Infinity War) had his power level just about right.

And yes, a thousand times yes:  Thor > Hulk.

I don't believe this is correct based on the comics. The power stone grants tremendous physical power. In the Thanos quest, the person who had the Power Stone enhanced his own strength while in battle with Thanos to the point that he destroyed an entire planet and was forced to give Thanos the stone to rescue him from being trapped in space. 

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2 hours ago, Dale Roberts said:

I don't believe this is correct based on the comics. The power stone grants tremendous physical power. In the Thanos quest, the person who had the Power Stone enhanced his own strength while in battle with Thanos to the point that he destroyed an entire planet and was forced to give Thanos the stone to rescue him from being trapped in space. 

Nerd.

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2 hours ago, Dale Roberts said:

I don't believe this is correct based on the comics. The power stone grants tremendous physical power. In the Thanos quest, the person who had the Power Stone enhanced his own strength while in battle with Thanos to the point that he destroyed an entire planet and was forced to give Thanos the stone to rescue him from being trapped in space. 

The character was Champion. And yes, the stone gave him greater physical strength. 

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4 minutes ago, joeypost said:

Nerd.

 

Just now, joeypost said:

The character was Champion. And yes, the stone gave him greater physical strength. 

And zero brains

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We have to remember that the MCU is not synonymous with Marvel Comics. In the MCU, the Power Stone doesn't grant physical strength, but "power of infinite destruction". The stones glow when being activated by the gauntlet, and it isn't activated at any point during combat with Hulk.

While the Russo Bros did tell us that Thanos uses all of the Infinity Stones in the scene after he acquires them, and he does so for 4 of them, he does not do so with the Soul and Mind Stones (unless you want to consider The Snap).

I've seen the movie 82 times, and the only point I see him use the Soul Stone, is in his 1-on-1 with Doctor Strange.

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11 hours ago, TwoPiece said:

We have to remember that the MCU is not synonymous with Marvel Comics. In the MCU, the Power Stone doesn't grant physical strength, but "power of infinite destruction". The stones glow when being activated by the gauntlet, and it isn't activated at any point during combat with Hulk.

While the Russo Bros did tell us that Thanos uses all of the Infinity Stones in the scene after he acquires them, and he does so for 4 of them, he does not do so with the Soul and Mind Stones (unless you want to consider The Snap).

I've seen the movie 82 times, and the only point I see him use the Soul Stone, is in his 1-on-1 with Doctor Strange.

Hats off to your for 82 times. Don't think I could ever do that nowadays (with any movie). 

I thought that super-fan saw it 42 times and got invited to the premiere. Too bad you don't have evidence, maybe you would get invited also.

Seeing as you have a lot of ideas about it, what's your theories on what will happen, or did happen unbeknownst to viewers.

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I saw Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom, and Superman II at least twenty times at the theater as a kid. Now I think I'm over indulging if I see a movie twice theatrically. Probably because I know I'll have the Blu-ray a few months after the release. 

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