STAR WARS : Episode IX December 20, 2019
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6 minutes ago, bane said:

Star Wars is Fantasy, not Science Fiction.... nothing in Star Wars should bother you in that regard, except of course bad writing and story.

Just because it's "fantasy and not fiction" doesn't mean that I can unreasonably suspend disbelief.

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2 hours ago, Catwomancomics said:

:roflmao:it’s the most ridiculous scene so far from ROS

Back to the gravity issue.  I know what you’re getting at.  Bomb bay doors open, and no one gets sucked out into space. It doesn’t bother me because I realize that RJ is going for the WWII vibe, so I’m okay with it.  I thought the bombers were a cool concept.  

I think you give RJ too much credit about the WW II vibe. He probably just forgot about gravity! 

Lord knows he forgot everything else in this movie about what makes SW great! lol

 

 

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1 hour ago, theCapraAegagrus said:
1 hour ago, bane said:

Star Wars is Fantasy, not Science Fiction.... nothing in Star Wars should bother you in that regard, except of course bad writing and story.

Just because it's "fantasy and not fiction" doesn't mean that I can unreasonably suspend disbelief.

I tend to agree. It's a galaxy far, far away, not a different universe. Therefore, the basic laws of physics would be the same. There should be an attempt to be true to them. 

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34 minutes ago, Foley said:

I tend to agree. It's a galaxy far, far away, not a different universe. Therefore, the basic laws of physics would be the same. There should be an attempt to be true to them. 

Its not Star Trek. Go back and look at the original trilogy, its pure fantasy. You start bringing in the laws of physics, the whole thing falls apart.

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So we’re just going to ignore that in the Empire Strikes Back - hailed as the best Star Wars movie of all time - there are TIE-Bombers dropping bombs on free-floating asteroids in space?

We’re going to ignore that both the Death Stars and Rebel Cruisers have hanger bays that appear to be open to the vacuum of space?

I don’t remember if it’s explicitly stated or just implied in the OT films, but I think it’s a safe assumption that there’s some sort of force-field technology that allows ships to enter the hanger bays but keeps the atmosphere in and the vacuum out. 

I’m not going to exert the mental energy to come up a pseudo-science explanation for the TIE-Bombers, but again I think it’s a safe assumption that whatever “technology” is at work there (which no one seems to have a problem with) is probably also in play with the TLJ bombers. 

I didn’t care for TLJ at all. I think it has a number of serious flaws with regard to story and characterization. 

But the “scientific accuracy” of the bombers doesn’t even register as a nit-pick for me as it seems there’s sufficient precedent to suspend disbelief. 

If I have any problem with the bombers it’s that they’re a war machine that appear to be made out of nothing more than tissue paper and kerosene. 

But TLJ’s got a lot bigger problems than that. 

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18 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

So we’re just going to ignore that in the Empire Strikes Back - hailed as the best Star Wars movie of all time - there are TIE-Bombers dropping bombs on free-floating asteroids in space?

We’re going to ignore that both the Death Stars and Rebel Cruisers have hanger bays that appear to be open to the vacuum of space?

I don’t remember if it’s explicitly stated or just implied in the OT films, but I think it’s a safe assumption that there’s some sort of force-field technology that allows ships to enter the hanger bays but keeps the atmosphere in and the vacuum out. 

I’m not going to exert the mental energy to come up a pseudo-science explanation for the TIE-Bombers, but again I think it’s a safe assumption that whatever “technology” is at work there (which no one seems to have a problem with) is probably also in play with the TLJ bombers. 

I didn’t care for TLJ at all. I think it has a number of serious flaws with regard to story and characterization. 

But the “scientific accuracy” of the bombers doesn’t even register as a nit-pick for me as it seems there’s sufficient precedent to suspend disbelief. 

If I have any problem with the bombers it’s that they’re a war machine that appear to be made out of nothing more than tissue paper and kerosene. 

But TLJ’s got a lot bigger problems than that. 

TLJ reveals the Resistance bomber's method of releasing the bombs, though.

We can make assumptions that the Tie Bombers push their weapons from the ship. There isn't any transparency as to how they operate.

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Well anything with mass can have gravity, so an asteroid can have it for sure.There was enough gravity to hold an atmosphere in the “cave” That should be enough to pull bombs.

 

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2 hours ago, Number 6 said:

We’re going to ignore that both the Death Stars and Rebel Cruisers have hanger bays that appear to be open to the vacuum of space?

Or that Darth Vader and a few stormtroopers are standing right on the edge of one of those hangar bays at the end of Rogue One after Leia's ship escapes mere feet from appearing to be in space.  I don't know what's driving most explainable and unexplainable elements across EVERY Star Wars film, just that they've been there all along so I'm not inclined to single out any one film's crew for incompetence over all of the others.  I do know that any sufficiently-advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, so I'm not going to assume it's a plot hole every time I see something happen that physics as we understand it doesn't make immediate sense without spending some time hypothesizing technology that could be allowing it to work as depicted in the films.

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I've always just thought that was a barrer of sort going way back to the original Star Wars. "We're passing through the magnetic field". Hanger bays have used these throughout.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Magnetic_field/Legends

As for the bombs they were magnetic explained in the visual guide.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Magnetic_field/Legends

I remember "Wired" magazine did a more detailed analysis on the tie bombers.

 

(By the way I had problems with Last Jedi as did many others, just giving some answers)

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On 11/5/2019 at 8:28 AM, Buzzetta said:

Very easy answer to that.  Disney is pandering.  Look at TFA.  That was pandering and a revisit of “greatest hits.”  Disney has no vision here and is pandering to what they think people want.  
 

I agree with comments that suggested that Kennedy should have emulated the Marvel way and said here is the playbook.  You have to get from point A to B As we have outlined.  Whether you take a train or a bus or a plane is up to you. 

 

I agree that Disney has no vision or plan, that’s why TLJ is such a narrative mess.  And TFA wasn’t the only Disney Star Wars flick that spun the greatest hits album (see Battle of Crait, which is pretty blatant I’m certain you agree).  As far as pandering is concerned, well if you spend billions and billions on an IP you better make sure the majority of people like it and just to remind everyone...

 

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No time for love Dr Jones

Auctions and building time 

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4 hours ago, bentbryan said:

I agree that Disney has no vision or plan, that’s why TLJ is such a narrative mess.  And TFA wasn’t the only Disney Star Wars flick that spun the greatest hits album (see Battle of Crait, which is pretty blatant I’m certain you agree).  As far as pandering is concerned, well if you spend billions and billions on an IP you better make sure the majority of people like it and just to remind everyone...

 

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The Mousehouse must have paid people to get that score up to 44%!

The real audience score is much lower!!!!! 

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I gave TLJ another shot yesterday, actually watched it twice back to back. As I said in an earlier post, there was little point watching it again if I was only going to hate on it. I felt I was ready to go into it with an open mind. Please don’t feel I’m trying to sway anyone’s opinion here, I’m just trying to convey that I still can get silly and excited about Star Wars.

When I first saw this movie in the theatre, it set me on edge when I noticed the beats from ESB, right from the screen crawl to the transports leaving the surface of the planet. That put me in a pretty unreceptive mood given JJ’s star killer base episode IV soft reboot and so I found the movie pretty amateurish and nonsensical for the most part. That ended up being my main criticism of the movie; that the pacing and narrative were all over the map – just plain bad movie making. That was my opinion anyway without getting into specifics.

I watched with a mindset of buying into the story and see where if anywhere at all that would lead me and I found the movie surprisingly coherent. It’s a much better crafted movie than I originally gave it credit for being so that’s on me. I’m not saying it’s without its problems but it tells the story it’s trying to tell well enough. I didn’t find any pacing issues this time around, it all flowed pretty well. This was not what I expected to feel about TLJ - ever.

Where it really worked for me was with Rey, Kylo and Snoke and the climax of the throne room scene. Definitely the coolest part of the movie and I thought it was pretty cool first time around stylistically – except the first time around I didn’t make much sense of it. Snoke had a stronger presence and his death carried a far greater weight then I first experienced. There is a lot of subtlety that I missed first time around that I look forward to revisiting. Luke’s story is also more satisfying when I finally let go of my expectations and go with what’s there. Neat.

The movie definitely has a few problems but General Hux having a mother who calls at inopportune times, milking lazy lactating sea cows, Kylo’s sweaty boobies, Mary Poppins Leia and morally ambiguous arms dealers who gamble are not among them; at least for me this time around and I think I might find a way through a couple of plot holes that are still bugging me.

Obviously my opinion of TLJ has fundamentally changed (I'm not saying it's a lovefest but dinner and drinks aren't out of the question) and with that I will say Johnson was the braver filmmaker here, JJ just played it safe, as he always does (I really hope he proves me wrong on that score someday because he’s a very skilled film maker). Now that I’m more comfortable with the movie, I feel that Johnson has left an ending in which anything could happen in the finale so I’m hoping play it safe JJ can step up to plate and have some conviction and take a chance for once.

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7 hours ago, Mr Sneeze said:

I gave TLJ another shot yesterday, actually watched it twice back to back. As I said in an earlier post, there was little point watching it again if I was only going to hate on it. I felt I was ready to go into it with an open mind. Please don’t feel I’m trying to sway anyone’s opinion here, I’m just trying to convey that I still can get silly and excited about Star Wars.

When I first saw this movie in the theatre, it set me on edge when I noticed the beats from ESB, right from the screen crawl to the transports leaving the surface of the planet. That put me in a pretty unreceptive mood given JJ’s star killer base episode IV soft reboot and so I found the movie pretty amateurish and nonsensical for the most part. That ended up being my main criticism of the movie; that the pacing and narrative were all over the map – just plain bad movie making. That was my opinion anyway without getting into specifics.

I watched with a mindset of buying into the story and see where if anywhere at all that would lead me and I found the movie surprisingly coherent. It’s a much better crafted movie than I originally gave it credit for being so that’s on me. I’m not saying it’s without its problems but it tells the story it’s trying to tell well enough. I didn’t find any pacing issues this time around, it all flowed pretty well. This was not what I expected to feel about TLJ - ever.

Where it really worked for me was with Rey, Kylo and Snoke and the climax of the throne room scene. Definitely the coolest part of the movie and I thought it was pretty cool first time around stylistically – except the first time around I didn’t make much sense of it. Snoke had a stronger presence and his death carried a far greater weight then I first experienced. There is a lot of subtlety that I missed first time around that I look forward to revisiting. Luke’s story is also more satisfying when I finally let go of my expectations and go with what’s there. Neat.

The movie definitely has a few problems but General Hux having a mother who calls at inopportune times, milking lazy lactating sea cows, Kylo’s sweaty boobies, Mary Poppins Leia and morally ambiguous arms dealers who gamble are not among them; at least for me this time around and I think I might find a way through a couple of plot holes that are still bugging me.

Obviously my opinion of TLJ has fundamentally changed (I'm not saying it's a lovefest but dinner and drinks aren't out of the question) and with that I will say Johnson was the braver filmmaker here, JJ just played it safe, as he always does (I really hope he proves me wrong on that score someday because he’s a very skilled film maker). Now that I’m more comfortable with the movie, I feel that Johnson has left an ending in which anything could happen in the finale so I’m hoping play it safe JJ can step up to plate and have some conviction and take a chance for once.

Yeah, the choreography kills it for me. It's an unrealistic (even for the Star Wars universe) mess.

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8 hours ago, Mr Sneeze said:

I gave TLJ another shot yesterday, actually watched it twice back to back. As I said in an earlier post, there was little point watching it again if I was only going to hate on it. I felt I was ready to go into it with an open mind. Please don’t feel I’m trying to sway anyone’s opinion here, I’m just trying to convey that I still can get silly and excited about Star Wars.

When I first saw this movie in the theatre, it set me on edge when I noticed the beats from ESB, right from the screen crawl to the transports leaving the surface of the planet. That put me in a pretty unreceptive mood given JJ’s star killer base episode IV soft reboot and so I found the movie pretty amateurish and nonsensical for the most part. That ended up being my main criticism of the movie; that the pacing and narrative were all over the map – just plain bad movie making. That was my opinion anyway without getting into specifics.

I watched with a mindset of buying into the story and see where if anywhere at all that would lead me and I found the movie surprisingly coherent. It’s a much better crafted movie than I originally gave it credit for being so that’s on me. I’m not saying it’s without its problems but it tells the story it’s trying to tell well enough. I didn’t find any pacing issues this time around, it all flowed pretty well. This was not what I expected to feel about TLJ - ever.

Where it really worked for me was with Rey, Kylo and Snoke and the climax of the throne room scene. Definitely the coolest part of the movie and I thought it was pretty cool first time around stylistically – except the first time around I didn’t make much sense of it. Snoke had a stronger presence and his death carried a far greater weight then I first experienced. There is a lot of subtlety that I missed first time around that I look forward to revisiting. Luke’s story is also more satisfying when I finally let go of my expectations and go with what’s there. Neat.

The movie definitely has a few problems but General Hux having a mother who calls at inopportune times, milking lazy lactating sea cows, Kylo’s sweaty boobies, Mary Poppins Leia and morally ambiguous arms dealers who gamble are not among them; at least for me this time around and I think I might find a way through a couple of plot holes that are still bugging me.

Obviously my opinion of TLJ has fundamentally changed (I'm not saying it's a lovefest but dinner and drinks aren't out of the question) and with that I will say Johnson was the braver filmmaker here, JJ just played it safe, as he always does (I really hope he proves me wrong on that score someday because he’s a very skilled film maker). Now that I’m more comfortable with the movie, I feel that Johnson has left an ending in which anything could happen in the finale so I’m hoping play it safe JJ can step up to plate and have some conviction and take a chance for once.

I have to say... well said. 

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9 minutes ago, zhamlau said:

I think if you can just remove the entire casino scene, de-powered Rey and have her some actual failings/character, removed “your mama” jokes, removed the bombing run scene, turned Luke back to something less sniveling/weak, removed the sea cow teet-squeezin, made Hux some thing other than a 1 dimensional Buffon, removed Carrie Poppins scene, changed purple hair ball gown to a real commander who understood how to lead/act like someone who came up the ranks, eliminated the insane idea of a slow speed low fuel chase, eliminated hyper space weapons as if no one ever thought of it before, Rework the phasma fight scene to be less impossibly stupid, and gave Luke an actual fight scene instead of the shoulder brush cheap trick meme scene, took out Rose’s ruining of Finns one great hero moment, and didn’t have Like die from getting “too seepies, need nap” syndrome....it would have been an ok movie, probably. Or at least palatable.

So basically, what you are saying is: change every single scene in the whole movie?

I 100% agree with you!  lol

 

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11 minutes ago, zhamlau said:

I think if you can just remove the entire casino scene, de-powered Rey and have her some actual failings/character, removed “your mama” jokes, removed the bombing run scene, turned Luke back to something less sniveling/weak, removed the sea cow teet-squeezin, made Hux some thing other than a 1 dimensional Buffon, removed Carrie Poppins scene, changed purple hair ball gown to a real commander who understood how to lead/act like someone who came up the ranks, eliminated the insane idea of a slow speed low fuel chase, eliminated hyper space weapons as if no one ever thought of it before, Rework the phasma fight scene to be less impossibly stupid, and gave Luke an actual fight scene instead of the shoulder brush cheap trick meme scene, took out Rose’s ruining of Finns one great hero moment, and didn’t have Like die from getting “too seepies, need nap” syndrome....it would have been an ok movie, probably. Or at least palatable.

I can't agree more.

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Fin actually sacrificing himself to save his friends and the Resistance would have been an actual expectation subversion that would've worked. We assumed he'd be in all 3 films. He was a coward and ran away from conflict almost all of VII. It would have been a welcome surprise. Rose's worthless existence ruined that potentially meaningful moment.

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one month from release and the buzz is non-existent

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