Comic Verification Authority (CVA) ?!?!?! 2 2

[Get Marwood & I]

3 minutes ago, Martin Sinescu said:

We're pretty much in agreement here. CGC lacks in a specific (to me, obvious) regard and so there is a companion service to mop up (although clearly CGC has done the heavy lifting and CVA not so much). The mistake folks here are making is assuming that we're all on a level playing field -- we're not. Everyone has different things that they are hyper-sensitive to and other areas where they either don't care or are ignorant. My critical eye has evolved whereas ten or fifteen years ago there's stuff I just flat-out did not see. Both CGC and CVA can assist in this regard, either if you don't know how to grade or if you don't know what qualities make for superior presentation. Mis-cuts, mis-wraps, color fade... these all aren't as immediately noticeable to everyone (or you just never thought to consider it a flaw).

Part of the problem, though, and the reason why I was suggesting it would be more impactful if CGC had this designation in-house, is because CVA is not reviewing every book CGC grades, so two AF 15's both graded 7.5, one with CVA love and one without, doesn't necessarily (and usually doesn't) mean that CVA gave one the nod and the other the boot. How do we know if they've seen one and given it the thumbs down? We don't. So, again, it can add some value to a certain group of people, but I feel it's really too limited overall to be much help.

Also, it seems at odds to be judging presentation when your stamp of approval only detracts from the holder's appearance 

@Marwood & I you'll appreciate that when I read CVA I still think CVE (think "Logopolis")

I'd have to reverse the polarity of the neutron flow to get that reference Martin

Maybe CGC should buy out CVA and offer both services. I'd like to get my books structurally and visually assessed by CVGCVAGC. Trips rigt off the tongue doesn't it. 

[blazingbob]

I'm on the website - https://www.cvacomics.com/index.php/2012-04-16-16-56-28.html

Looking for those "exceptional standards" which are not defined.

Are they looking at sharp corners,  color strike,  cover alignment,  staple placement, white pages, can books with writing or date stamps being CVA exceptional to the no writing purists? 

Which makes me question whose eye appeal are they appealing to?

I've seen some CVA miswrapped books.

Not exactly something that qualifies to me as having good eye appeal.

[Get Marwood & I]

6 minutes ago, MGsimba77 said:

I wouldn't call it a trend if one sucker gets duped by it. The vast majority of collectors will ignore it. Besides I got an arguably better looking copy same grade on the c-link exchange for a lower price.

It's only better looking if CVA say so MGsimba77 

[jevlnuts]

Clearly there are a lot of opinions on this subject, which I have no problem with, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. With that said, there is very little that can be said that makes me believe this "service" is necessary. Third party grading has become necessary, with the advent of the internet and eBay too many people were getting ripped off by sharks out there misrepresenting their books. With that said, have a 3rd party grading service eliminates most of the risk.

CVA I find different. Anybody with basic knowledge of comic collecting and a set of eyes can tell if the book looks good in its case. Additionally, CVA only inspects the front and back covers and deems it "exceptional" if it meets their standards. We all know that grading is subjective but this practice is risky. For instance, if you have book A and B both with a grade of 4.0 but book A has a CVA "exceptional" sticker on it, it would appear to many to have more value. But the truth is that it may not, in fact book B may be a stronger book and book A may just have the majority of the flaws internally, such as rust migration from the staples.

Its frustrating, with every companies that adds another layer of subjective grading, they also add more expense to the purchaser. Now I would have to pay for the book, the grading (which regardless of what people says, does raise the value), and the CVA "grading". Unnecessary in my opinion, but like I said, everybody has their thoughts on the subject.

[Get Marwood & I]

4 minutes ago, blazingbob said:

Which makes me question whose eye appeal are they appealing to?

Stevie Wonder?

[Get Marwood & I]

2 minutes ago, jevlnuts said:

Clearly there are a lot of opinions on this subject, which I have no problem with, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. With that said, there is very little that can be said that makes me believe this "service" is necessary. Third party grading has become necessary, with the advent of the internet and eBay too many people were getting ripped off by sharks out there misrepresenting their books. With that said, have a 3rd party grading service eliminates most of the risk.

CVA I find different. Anybody with basic knowledge of comic collecting and a set of eyes can tell if the book looks good in its case. Additionally, CVA only inspects the front and back covers and deems it "exceptional" if it meets their standards. We all know that grading is subjective but this practice is risky. For instance, if you have book A and B both with a grade of 4.0 but book A has a CVA "exceptional" sticker on it, it would appear to many to have more value. But the truth is that it may not, in fact book B may be a stronger book and book A may just have the majority of the flaws internally, such as rust migration from the staples.

Its frustrating, with every companies that adds another layer of subjective grading, they also add more expense to the purchaser. Now I would have to pay for the book, the grading (which regardless of what people says, does raise the value), and the CVA "grading". Unnecessary in my opinion, but like I said, everybody has their thoughts on the subject.

Nicely summarised. I was only devils advocotatalling to be honest. Might as well wake the pigeons up, eh. Bottom line, if the CVA service has no value, it will surely die. Until then, we may see the ocassional book with a horrible sticker on it once in a while.

[blazingbob]

25 minutes ago, jevlnuts said:

Clearly there are a lot of opinions on this subject, which I have no problem with, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. With that said, there is very little that can be said that makes me believe this "service" is necessary. Third party grading has become necessary, with the advent of the internet and eBay too many people were getting ripped off by sharks out there misrepresenting their books. With that said, have a 3rd party grading service eliminates most of the risk.

CVA I find different. Anybody with basic knowledge of comic collecting and a set of eyes can tell if the book looks good in its case. Additionally, CVA only inspects the front and back covers and deems it "exceptional" if it meets their standards. We all know that grading is subjective but this practice is risky. For instance, if you have book A and B both with a grade of 4.0 but book A has a CVA "exceptional" sticker on it, it would appear to many to have more value. But the truth is that it may not, in fact book B may be a stronger book and book A may just have the majority of the flaws internally, such as rust migration from the staples.

Its frustrating, with every companies that adds another layer of subjective grading, they also add more expense to the purchaser. Now I would have to pay for the book, the grading (which regardless of what people says, does raise the value), and the CVA "grading". Unnecessary in my opinion, but like I said, everybody has their thoughts on the subject.

Which is why I referred to them as a toll collector in my earlier post.

For those who want to get the breakdown when going down the grading path lets see who has their hand out

1).  Post office when you ship it

2).  CCS or whoever you chose if you decide to press it (Optional cost)

3).  CGC to grade it

4).  CGC invoice handling fee

6).  Post office or carrier of your choice to ship it back

7).  Ship to CVA (Optional)

8).  CVA cost of putting a little exceptional sticker on it (Optional)

9).  Shipping back to you (Optional)

10).  Ebay or whoever you chose to sell it through consignment fee

11).  Paypal fee if payment is electronic

12).  Shipping cost to customer

With all of these little tolls along the way I still wonder why some wonder why CGC books cost more then raw books.

Or is the truth that everybody else is making money off the graded comic book except you.

Hmmmm  

 

Edited January 27, 2018 by blazingbob

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6 minutes ago, blazingbob said:

Which is why I referred to them as a toll collector in my earlier post.

For those who want to get the breakdown when going down the grading path lets see who has their hand out

1).  Post office when you ship it

2).  CCS or whoever you chose if you decide to press it (Optional cost)

3).  CGC to grade it

4).  CGC invoice handling fee

6).  Post office or carrier of your choice to ship it back

7).  Ship to CVA (Optional)

8).  CVA cost of putting a little exceptional sticker on it (Optional)

9).  Shipping back to you (Optional)

10).  Ebay or whoever you chose to sell it through consignment fee

11).  Paypal fee if payment is electronic

12).  Shipping cost to customer

Which all these little tolls along the way I still wonder why some wonder why CGC books cost more then raw books.

Or is the truth that everybody else is making money off the graded comic book except you.

Hmmmm  

 

These are 12 of the reasons why I personally don't slab books Bob. There are others. The only time I would do any of the above would be when when I decide to sell the big guns.

Grading is a thing. Eye appeal is a thing. CGC have monetised grading. CVA are trying to monetise eye appeal. The market will decide whether they have gone too far into the barrel of potential money making opportunities. 

[RockMyAmadeus]

CVA is a service which is of some value to a segment of the slabbed comics buying community.

[Bomber-Bob]

Guys, CVA is simply adding something that CGC chooses not to give us, a 'checkmark' for eye appeal. The competition uses this checkmark and, to be honest, I like the idea.  It also works well with books on CLink that never show the Back Cover. Without seeing the Back Cover the CVA sticker tells me there is nothing fugly on the Back cover. I agree, however, that it does not add financial value.  I would also not pay for the service but as long as it's on the book, I will utilize it. What's the big deal ? Don't understand the hate.

[90sChild]

50 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

Guys, CVA is simply adding something that CGC chooses not to give us, a 'checkmark' for eye appeal. The competition uses this checkmark and, to be honest, I like the idea.  It also works well with books on CLink that never show the Back Cover. Without seeing the Back Cover the CVA sticker tells me there is nothing fugly on the Back cover. I agree, however, that it does not add financial value.  I would also not pay for the service but as long as it's on the book, I will utilize it. What's the big deal ? Don't understand the hate.

I think that checkmark adds value when it is coming directly from the people flipping through the book and assigning a grade.   Not when it is from someone who just looks at the cover and makes a subjective call based on appearance only.

[Artboy99]

I started a company that graded the placement of the CVA sticker and the quality of the plastic used for encapsulation. The company was called CEASGC: Comic Encapsulation And Sticker Grading Corp.

Once graded by CEASGC we placed your encapsulated and CVA stickered comic into a plastic casing that was then hermetically sealed to maintain the integrity of the service.

 

[Bomber-Bob]

3 minutes ago, 90sChild said:

I think that checkmark adds value when it is coming directly from the people flipping through the book and assigning a grade.  

I agree, which is why I wish CGC would do it. A simple checkmark on the label, like the competition already does. Sometimes CGC can be so stubborn.

[Get Marwood & I]

1 minute ago, Bomber-Bob said:

I agree, which is why I wish CGC would do it. A simple checkmark on the label, like the competition already does. Sometimes CGC can be so stubborn.

Yes. 

 

What? 

 

Oh.

 

Hulk in wrong thread.

 

Sorry. 

[Get Marwood & I]

10 minutes ago, Artboy99 said:

I started a company that graded the placement of the CVA sticker and the quality of the plastic used for encapsulation. The company was called CEASGC: Comic Encapsulation And Sticker Grading Corp.

Once graded by CEASGC we placed your encapsulated and CVA stickered comic into a plastic casing that was then hermetically sealed to maintain the integrity of the service.

 

Good luck Artboy. I hope it does better than my old data gathering company did.  For some reason, The Big Comic Oversight Central Knowlegde Service never quite took off 

[Get Marwood & I]

Just now, Marwood & I said:

Good luck Artboy. I hope it does better than my old data gathering company did.  For some reason, The Big Comic Oversight Central Knowlegde Service never quite took off 

....probably because we couldn't spell knowledge...

[blazingbob]

31 minutes ago, Artboy99 said:

I started a company that graded the placement of the CVA sticker and the quality of the plastic used for encapsulation. The company was called CEASGC: Comic Encapsulation And Sticker Grading Corp.

Once graded by CEASGC we placed your encapsulated and CVA stickered comic into a plastic casing that was then hermetically sealed to maintain the integrity of the service.

 

My "opinion" company was called POS.  Since filters are in place can anybody guess what it stood for.

I used the old porno movie rating symbols since I was looking for the book that gave me a rise.

Bob,  if you are looking for books that I think give me a rise I'll make sure I mark them the next time I send you one.

 

 

Edited January 27, 2018 by blazingbob

[Get Marwood & I]

3 minutes ago, blazingbob said:

My "opinion" company was called POS.  Since filters are in place can anybody guess what it stood for.

I used the old porno movie rating symbols since I was looking for the book that gave me a rise.

Bob,  if you are looking for books that I think give me a rise I'll make sure I mark them the next time I send you one.

 

 

Piece of smeg? 

[mattn792]

If I ever bought a book with a CVA sticker affixed to it, the first thing I would do is have it re-holdered. 

[Get Marwood & I]

10 hours ago, mattn792 said:

If I ever bought a book with a CVA sticker affixed to it, the first thing I would do is have it re-holdered. 

Make sure you notify The Big Comic Oversight Central Knowledge Service if you do, so we can keep our records up straight.