jokiing Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) Water stain affecting edge of front and back cover. Internal pages not affected. Pages and cover are flat. Is this something that can be fixed? Thanks, Joe Edited July 13, 2018 by jokiing Add photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faster friends Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Nothing that is cost effective. You can have the covers washed and pressed but you would get a restored book out of it. better to leave it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokiing Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 Considering that the stain on the front cover is minimal and there is no other damage I think you make a good point. For what it is, not worth the expense to end up with a restored book. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 4 hours ago, jokiing said: Considering that the stain on the front cover is minimal and there is no other damage I think you make a good point. For what it is, not worth the expense to end up with a restored book. Thanks. If the paper isn't flat, although a press won't remedy the stain, it may improve the three-dimensional quality, giving it a flatter, more uniform appearance. Joey Post would be the one here most qualified to advise on this, but he'd probably need a few more angles to see how the stained area lays.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokiing Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 Paper is flat, no ripples.... not sure what stained it.... and interior pages appear unaffected. Overall, in pretty good condition. Just out of curiosity, how much of an investment am I looking at to have it cleaned and pressed? ...and as a restoration, how does that affect it's overall value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 2 hours ago, jokiing said: Paper is flat, no ripples.... not sure what stained it.... and interior pages appear unaffected. Overall, in pretty good condition. Just out of curiosity, how much of an investment am I looking at to have it cleaned and pressed? ...and as a restoration, how does that affect it's overall value? It was mentioned that getting it washed may remove the stains but it would be considered restoration. Getting this cleaned and pressed is not restoration but it won't remove the stains nor improve the grade. Restoration really hurts the desirability of the book. The stain also hurts the desirability of the book. IMO, in summary, there's not much you can do here. It's a stinker but it's still a key book so it has value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Have it graded. Sell it then use the money to buy the upgraded book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokiing Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, JollyComics said: Have it graded. Sell it then use the money to buy the upgraded book. Is it really worth getting professionally graded? As Bomber-Bob mentioned, it is a key book with value, but with the damage being so obvious, what would be the advantage? If the book was rare and not easily found with a high grade I would not hesitate to have it graded. I'm not arguing against having the comic graded, I just don't have enough experience, regarding pro grading, to know what would be the upside to doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Everyone WANTS to own ASM #129 at any grade. I used to own MANY IH #181 copies and am now regretted to not having it. Too expensive for me right now. I am blessed to own ASM #129. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 10 hours ago, jokiing said: Is it really worth getting professionally graded? As Bomber-Bob mentioned, it is a key book with value, but with the damage being so obvious, what would be the advantage? If the book was rare and not easily found with a high grade I would not hesitate to have it graded. I'm not arguing against having the comic graded, I just don't have enough experience, regarding pro grading, to know what would be the upside to doing so. Regarding getting it graded, it's a tough call. There is no doubt you can sell it just the way it is. If put in auction, you can advertise it as not pressed/cleaned and possibly get an 'opportunity' premium . Some people like projects. If you get it cleaned, pressed, and graded, it will sell for exactly the FMV of the grade on the label, maybe less because of the eye appeal. You are also gambling on how CGC will grade it. I have a feeling CGC will not be kind to this stain. If it were my book, I would sell it raw in auction. Minimally, this is the quickest route . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokiing Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Bomber-Bob said: Regarding getting it graded, it's a tough call. There is no doubt you can sell it just the way it is. If put in auction, you can advertise it as not pressed/cleaned and possibly get an 'opportunity' premium . Some people like projects. If you get it cleaned, pressed, and graded, it will sell for exactly the FMV of the grade on the label, maybe less because of the eye appeal. You are also gambling on how CGC will grade it. I have a feeling CGC will not be kind to this stain. If it were my book, I would sell it raw in auction. Minimally, this is the quickest route . Thanks guys, for the advice.... I'm old school and was mainly collecting in the early 70's thru late 90's.... so the process of slabbing comics is a somewhat new concept. It is a tough call whether or not to have it graded. My initial thought was to sell it raw. One of the lowest slabbed copies that I saw sold on ebay was a 3.5 for $480. Any ideas what range CGC could grade my copy? That's the few hundred dollar question.... Taking the stain and cost of slabbing into consideration I'm thinking a raw sale might be my best option.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faster friends Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I have had books graded with water stains at 3.0 and that was without even seeing the stain. So I dont think you will bet higher than 3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cozmo-One Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 hour ago, jokiing said: Thanks guys, for the advice.... I'm old school and was mainly collecting in the early 70's thru late 90's.... so the process of slabbing comics is a somewhat new concept. It is a tough call whether or not to have it graded. My initial thought was to sell it raw. One of the lowest slabbed copies that I saw sold on ebay was a 3.5 for $480. Any ideas what range CGC could grade my copy? That's the few hundred dollar question.... Taking the stain and cost of slabbing into consideration I'm thinking a raw sale might be my best option.... I would post the pics in the "Please Grade My" section, and there you will various opinions. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, JollyComics said: Have it graded. Sell it then use the money to buy the upgraded book. Sell it raw. Edited July 15, 2018 by James J Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 hour ago, jokiing said: Thanks guys, for the advice.... I'm old school and was mainly collecting in the early 70's thru late 90's.... so the process of slabbing comics is a somewhat new concept. It is a tough call whether or not to have it graded. My initial thought was to sell it raw. One of the lowest slabbed copies that I saw sold on ebay was a 3.5 for $480. Any ideas what range CGC could grade my copy? That's the few hundred dollar question.... Taking the stain and cost of slabbing into consideration I'm thinking a raw sale might be my best option.... I would keep it simple and list in auction and don't reference a specific grade. Put up good pics and give the 'usual' spiel about not being a professional grader, look at the pics for details. Mention there is cover stains, not on the interior, and the book has not been pressed or cleaned. I bet it will do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, James J Johnson said: This! Normally, I would agree but I don't think he will be happy with the grade. I think it will do better raw with pics, let the bidder decide the grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said: Normally, I would agree but I don't think he will be happy with the grade. I think it will do better raw with pics, let the bidder decide the grade. Raw is the way to go for this book. Listen to Bob, don't let anybody dissuade you. . Edited July 15, 2018 by James J Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokiing Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, James J Johnson said: I thought of that but here's my logic. CGC slabbed, it's not only more liquid, drawing a bigger pool of bidders, and optimal $$$ results based on the label grade, but it's a sure sale. Buyer submits it, gets a 3.0 or 3.5, the seller is going to get a return if he called it a Fine or something of that nature.. Also, IMO, you list a 129 CGC graded 3.5 that presents like a 7.0, and mention how nice it is except for a very small moisture damaged area, the bidding will go well above 3.0/3.5 levels. I see this all the time on ebay. Either way, I think he'll get about the same price on ebay with reduced risk because it's CGC slabbed. Good logic with all opinions.... Thanks!... Not making it easy... but I'm leaning towards Bomber-Bob's advice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, jokiing said: Good logic with all opinions.... Thanks!... Not making it easy... but I'm leaning towards Bomber-Bob's advice.... Boo-yah. Go with Bob's advice. Raw. I don't know what I was even thinking! I was wrong, as usual! Edited July 15, 2018 by James J Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, James J Johnson said: Might be a tad bit more money that way, going raw, but once they have it slabbed, and I always assume that most key issue purchases of raw books generate a quick submission to the CGC, when they get wind of the CGC grade, if they paid more than the market value for the book than CGC market value of the resulting grade, there will be a dispute, followed by a return. That aside, go with your instinct. For this very reason, I specifically stated do not place a grade on the book in the listing...... Put up good pics and give the 'usual' spiel about not being a professional grader, look at the pics for details. Mention there is cover stains, not on the interior, and the book has not been pressed or cleaned. let the bidder decide the grade. Edited July 14, 2018 by Bomber-Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
