RS88 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Hey everyone, So as of 10:55am MST the Dell’Otto is back in my possession. The story of how it was “ found” is strange, and quite convoluted. The details aren’t very important, but the result is. I do appreciate that Luis has made this right, and that the art was returned. I’ve gone back and forth a little bit trying to figure out if I should be angry, but I’ve settled on forgiveness. Everyone makes mistakes, and I believe in second chances. As such, I’m satistied with this at the end of the day, and can forgive the parties involved. A couple of good & great things came out of this story. I am very proud to be apart of this community and I feel truly honoured by the support I’ve received. You are all exactly the group I was told about. You fight for your members and you are ferverent in your pursuit of justice, and what’s right. I’ve learned a valuable lesson personally, including how protected I feel when it comes to the financial monster PayPal. I hope we all are a bit more careful and we can avoid this in the future. Finally, I have a checklist of how to deal with the buying and selling of art - I definitely adhered to a ‘run & gun’ approach when it came to the collecting - and I’ll tread a little more lightly now. Thank you again everyone, without your support and a bit of pressure - this piece would not have made it back to Canada. Edited February 12, 2019 by RS88 Update nahrat and BCarter27 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 That's just evil. File a police report for stolen property and then post all details publicly. Keys_Collector and RS88 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_not_so_nice Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 And you're keeping his name secret because . . . ? Keys_Collector 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_not_so_nice Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, RS88 said: Nothing feels better when you’re so excited to be apart of an amazing tight-knit community and a fradadulant d-bag sucks the life out of it. The piece attached was discussed, negotiated and sold to a ... hmm.. hard swallow.... in Visalia California. Upon receipt a dispute was submitted that it was an “Art Print” and money was to be refunded. PayPal has been extraordinarily unhelpful. The following was the original art (11x17) and the second picture was what was returned. Yes I was naive. No, will not do it again. Protect yourselves. Take references. And if you buy this piece, hammer the waste of skin. Never mind, I figured it out. Jose Luis Guizar Edited February 1, 2019 by mister_not_so_nice RS88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS88 Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 Yah, wasn’t trying to hide identity - just not sure how much people want to know. Big lesson is references to protect yo neck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeddieMercede Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) wow what a true POS. Edited February 1, 2019 by TeddieMercede RS88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeRock Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Damnnnnnnnnnnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buyatari Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Curious where this transaction took place. Im guessing Facebook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS88 Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 Was through CAF actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_not_so_nice Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 39 minutes ago, RS88 said: Was through CAF actually It would be extremely helpful if you documented a thorough timeline instead of piece-mealing it across multiple websites/message boards. Michael Browning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS88 Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 Anything you’re not clear on - feel free to message me - but here is the gist: 1. CAF Member - Luis Guizar - contacted me about my for-sale listing 2. We negotiated via CAF messaging to settle on a price, but he did not have a gallery or any art posted 3. Requested an invoice be sent via PayPal, which was done and the Dell’Otto was sent overnight 4. Jose Luis Guizar then went totally silent and also submitted a claim on PayPal that I had sent an Art Print and not an original 5. PayPal suggested the best course was to return the item 6. Item returned was a print-off of an internet image on 8-1/2 x 11 printer paper 7. PayPal said claim is now closed 8. UPDATE: Because I have claimed a reason for dispute that MATCHES the buyer (aka fraudulent dbag) I am ineligible for appeal. Lesson: Vet your sales. Deal with people you know or who have strong references. nahrat and Keys_Collector 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS88 Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bill C said: lesson: paypal personal Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wurstisart Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Is this individual a known name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS88 Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 4 hours ago, wurstisart said: Is this individual a known name? No, my mistake to proceed with the transaction as I didn’t have a history or a reference He was phone-bombed yesterday as he included his number returning the item - so I’m guessing it’s his real identity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert frey Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 no comment from paypal on how an 11 x 17 piece of art morphed into 8.5 x 11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoWitHurts Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Road Trip! Andahaion, dirtymartini1 and williamhlawson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Marino Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Have you called them? that usually is a better conduit than their online forms when it's not a simple situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipB2k17 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Contact the FBI, and copy PayPal on the communication. This is mail fraud. Also contact the local police department where this guy lives, the sheriff’s department, and the California Attorney Generals Office. Who knows how many other people he’s scammed like this. Hutch88, T Shen and williamhlawson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Shen Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, PhilipB2k17 said: Contact the FBI, and copy PayPal on the communication. This is mail fraud. Also contact the local police department where this guy lives, the sheriff’s department, and the California Attorney Generals Office. Who knows how many other people he’s scammed like this. Agreed, mail fraud is a federal offense. I hope they'd take it seriously. Sorry this is happening to you. I'm sure I speak for most of us as a group when I say this is our collective nightmare. nahrat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wurstisart Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Just a thought, could it be the mail man instead of him ? Just a thought and I am not taken any sides. eewwnuk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...