grapeape Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) One of my favorite comics at seven years of age. Great image of GR flying off the cover on his bike. I wonder artistically if they tried to do too much. The supporting characters come off a bit stiff? Well I still love it the way I did at 7. Edited August 26, 2019 by grapeape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 24 minutes ago, grapeape said: One of my favorite comics at seven years of age. Great image of GR flying off the cover on his bike. I wonder artistically if they tried to do too much. The supporting characters come off a bit stiff? Well I still love it the way I did at 7. I thought about buying this in SD last year. Very cool cover, but I was told the dealer had this a quite while with no takers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESeffinga Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, grapeape said: One of my favorite comics at seven years of age. Great image of GR flying off the cover on his bike. I wonder artistically if they tried to do too much. The supporting characters come off a bit stiff? Well I still love it the way I did at 7. I don't wanna ruin anybody's fond memories, but that "bike" is killing me. The proportions, the angle, wondering what is going on with the perspective... is GR's butt back hear the seat, or is he like super small and standing up sorta, or... I just can't. Also what is Black Widow doing? Compositionally-speaking, and otherwise? Is it made completely out of Dr. Doom's legs? It's one of those comic-isms, where you can tell the artist isn't super strong at drawing motorcycles. Lets put him on the book about a guy who rides a motorcycle everywhere. At 7 Years old, I wouldn't have given half a hoot about any of this. Edited August 26, 2019 by ESeffinga stinkininkin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkininkin Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ESeffinga said: I don't wanna ruin anybody's fond memories, but that "bike" is killing me. The proportions, the angle, wondering what is going on with the perspective... is GR's butt back hear the seat, or is he like super small and standing up sorta, or... I just can't. Also what is Black Widow doing? Compositionally-speaking, and otherwise? Is it made completely out of Dr. Doom's legs? It's one of those comic-isms, where you can tell the artist isn't super strong at drawing motorcycles. Lets put him on the book about a guy who rides a motorcycle everywhere. At 7 Years old, I wouldn't have given half a hoot about any of this. Man, I hear you. The gauzy nostalgia of a seven year old memory is a powerful force, over-riding everything in it's path. Edited August 26, 2019 by stinkininkin alxjhnsn and Twanj 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 5 hours ago, ESeffinga said: I don't wanna ruin anybody's fond memories, but that "bike" is killing me. The proportions, the angle, wondering what is going on with the perspective... is GR's butt back hear the seat, or is he like super small and standing up sorta, or... I just can't. Also what is Black Widow doing? Compositionally-speaking, and otherwise? Is it made completely out of Dr. Doom's legs? It's one of those comic-isms, where you can tell the artist isn't super strong at drawing motorcycles. Lets put him on the book about a guy who rides a motorcycle everywhere. At 7 Years old, I wouldn't have given half a hoot about any of this. Agreed—my fondness remains but my dollars will stay in my pocket. Numerous attempted fixes by the artists I’m sure at the pencil stage. That’s the inference by HA anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Hal Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 3:21 PM, vodou said: I wish I gave a you-know-what about baseball But I don't. However...in about two weeks it is TOM DOMINATES SEASON again Tom? I've always viewed him as the Frank Robbins of quarterbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, Hal Turner said: Tom? I've always viewed him as the Frank Robbins of quarterbacks. In that case, I'm being consistent in my fannishness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo M Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 On 8/17/2019 at 2:02 AM, glendgold said: This is pretty good, too. From Masterworks, and I've never seen it for sale before. Does anybody have a scan of the published piece from Masterworks. I have a poster taken from this image, but there ar some differences in the background (most notably the sun / planet in the lower right corner) and in the inking here and there (see shadow by SS's righ foot). I wonder if there are more than one piece of OA for this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artdealer Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 As the co-publisher of the Masterworks book, I can assure you there was only one original done for the back cover. Any other original that looks like the inked back cover was either drawn by Jack later, or inked on a light box by Sinnott. i had to get permission from Jack to have Sinnott ink the original for the back cover. The pencil version is the inside back cover of the book. MI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_K Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 1:53 PM, ESeffinga said: but that "bike" is killing me. Tandem bike. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo M Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 hours ago, artdealer said: As the co-publisher of the Masterworks book, I can assure you there was only one original done for the back cover. Any other original that looks like the inked back cover was either drawn by Jack later, or inked on a light box by Sinnott. i had to get permission from Jack to have Sinnott ink the original for the back cover. The pencil version is the inside back cover of the book. MI Thanks for the explanation, that is pretty clear! In fact, the two "signatures" on the poster might have been both added by Sinnott in creating the second version. Still, could someone give me the exact reference of the Marvel Masterwork book where this back cover was published? Is it the Silver Surfer Masterwork bopok? Would love to own that book, can try tro track it down on ebay or something, Carlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert frey Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 it is the Jack Kirby Masterworks, Carlo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo M Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, robert frey said: it is the Jack Kirby Masterworks, Carlo. Thank you so much. Interestingly , this back cover looks the same as my poster but not the same as the Heritage piece. The signatures are different, and the background and the inks in various spots as well . The plot thickens ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo M Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Would it be possible to see also the inside back cover with the pencil version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert frey Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) ask and ye shall receive Edited August 30, 2019 by robert frey added pic Twanj and NelsonAI 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo M Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 15 hours ago, robert frey said: ask and ye shall receive Thanks a lot Robert. Those pencils look fantastic. I will look for a copy of the Jack Kirby Masterworks! Now looking at the various scans here is what I see. There is a pencil page signed by Jack. Then there is the Heritage page that looks like Sinnott's inks added on the penciled board. Sinnott made some changes to the background - again look at that sun / planet in the lower right corner - and added his signature. Then there is the "published" version, that was published as back cover of the Masterworks piece. That looks like a different ink job by Sinnott, with yet more changes to the backgrounds and different inks on the Surfer and the board. And Jack's signature also looks different on that one (it is in capital letters and looks like the same writing as Sinnott's, at least on superficial observation). To add a bit of mystery, by googling Kirby Sinnott Silver Surfer I found yet another version, that looks a lot like the "published" version, but has only Jack's signature, again in capital letters. Hopefully Heritage's descritpion will shed some light...as a minimum a prospective bidder will want to be reassured that there are Jack's pencils underneath the inks on the page at auction. Ideally, confirmation that there is no second penciled version of this page, as per the contribution of MI above. And now I will shut up.... Carlo Twanj and alxjhnsn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glendgold Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Carlo M said: Thanks a lot Robert. Those pencils look fantastic. I will look for a copy of the Jack Kirby Masterworks! Now looking at the various scans here is what I see. There is a pencil page signed by Jack. Then there is the Heritage page that looks like Sinnott's inks added on the penciled board. Sinnott made some changes to the background - again look at that sun / planet in the lower right corner - and added his signature. Then there is the "published" version, that was published as back cover of the Masterworks piece. That looks like a different ink job by Sinnott, with yet more changes to the backgrounds and different inks on the Surfer and the board. And Jack's signature also looks different on that one (it is in capital letters and looks like the same writing as Sinnott's, at least on superficial observation). To add a bit of mystery, by googling Kirby Sinnott Silver Surfer I found yet another version, that looks a lot like the "published" version, but has only Jack's signature, again in capital letters. Hopefully Heritage's descritpion will shed some light...as a minimum a prospective bidder will want to be reassured that there are Jack's pencils underneath the inks on the page at auction. Ideally, confirmation that there is no second penciled version of this page, as per the contribution of MI above. And now I will shut up.... Carlo Interesting. I see pencils on the HA piece -- most obviously in the places that look to have been changed on your poster. Occam's Razor (or Glen's Not-So-Smart Razor) suggests that when they were about to print the poster, they noticed the pencil marks and so added some ink to give it a better contrast. Same with Jack's signature, which probably would have looked blotchy, given the production values of the day. I think there's one version of this piece, what HA is selling, and there probably was a stat somewhere with some reinking on it. That's just a hunch, but it seems the most likely possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCarter27 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 This Kubert Hawks splash is really pretty- https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/joe-kubert-brave-and-the-bold-35-splash-page-1-hawkman-and-hawkgirl-original-art-dc-1961-/p/7212-161001.s Unca Ben 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 35 minutes ago, BCarter27 said: This Kubert Hawks splash is really pretty- https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/joe-kubert-brave-and-the-bold-35-splash-page-1-hawkman-and-hawkgirl-original-art-dc-1961-/p/7212-161001.s It is a really nice example. Do you think the Hawkman stat is original? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxs7 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 33 minutes ago, batman_fan said: It is a really nice example. Do you think the Hawkman stat is original? From the item description: "The Hawkman logo is a modern day replacement." Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...