John E. Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Okay, why did I have to find out through TMZ of all places that the cover to Amazing Spider-Man 129 will hit the auction block through ComicConnect at the end of the year? CC estimates it at $2M. Now that is a HOLY GRAIL. I knew it was out there somewhere. TMZ exclusive Keys_Collector, J.Sid, exitmusicblue and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delekkerste Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, John E. said: Okay, why did I have to find out through TMZ of all places that the cover to Amazing Spider-Man 129 will hit the auction block through ComicConnect at the end of the year? CC estimates it at $2M. Now that is a HOLY GRAIL. I knew it was out there somewhere. TMZ exclusive Yah, it popped up 2 or 3 years ago IIRC and has changed hands a couple of times (that I am aware of) since then. grapeape, Twanj, J.Sid and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, delekkerste said: Yah, it popped up 2 or 3 years ago IIRC and has changed hands a couple of times (that I am aware of) since then. Oh that’s interesting. So the sense that the article gives us (keeping in mind this is TMZ) is that it’s fresh to market, and yet, the high end collectors have been playing hot potato with it. Well, then, this is now a $100,000 cover !!! grapeape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vodou Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, John E. said: CC estimates it at $2M. Of course they do. Tremendous advertising value, just releasing a number like that for a House that struggles to maintain even third place in the hobby. And Hake's -blah- may yet end up eating their lunch in the next several years Question: will the reserve will be at/very near that figure? Answer: YES But in the absence of a pre-arranged buyer (aka guarantee)...will it "hit" organically with two or more collectors running it up to that level or beyond? I think: Not. But I also think "vested interests" will make sure that number is hit publicly, even if that's not the actual number on the check/MO/wire that actually lands in CC/Metro/Fishler's bank Edited October 13, 2020 by vodou typos galore :) alxjhnsn, Bill C, szav and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, vodou said: Of course they do. Tremendous advertising value, just releasing a number like that for a House that struggles to maintain even third place in the hobby. And Hake's -blah- may yet end up eating their lunch in the next several years Question: will the reserve will be at/very near that figure? Answer: YES But in the absence of a pre-arranged buyer (aka guarantee)...will it "hit" organically with two or more collectors running it up to that level or beyond? I think: Not. But I also think "vested interests" will make sure that number is hit publicly, even if that's not the actual number on the check/MO/wire that actually lands in CC/Metro/Fishler's bank Yep, as big of a fan that I am of the character and the cover, even I think that estimate is overly optimistic. Optim-estimate? Chicago Boy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 With the exception of the trade dressing, the art looks to be all original. That’s cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, John E. said: Oh that’s interesting. So the sense that the article gives us (keeping in mind this is TMZ) is that it’s fresh to market, and yet, the high end collectors have been playing hot potato with it. Well, then, this is now a $100,000 cover !!! that's a hot potato I'd love to catch. John E. and jaybuck43 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Good lord that's a terrible image of the art. That's the best they could get? What's "been done to it?". Something has, I would wager, from the looks of the piece? Chicago Boy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybuck43 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, Bronty said: Good lord that's a terrible image of the art. That's the best they could get? What's "been done to it?". Something has, I would wager, from the looks of the piece? The staining on it is incredible. Very concerning. Chicago Boy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bronty said: Good lord that's a terrible image of the art. That's the best they could get? What's "been done to it?". Something has, I would wager, from the looks of the piece? Now that you bring it up, the trade dress may or may not be original. But fine whatever it’s not going to stop me from putting in a $1001.01 bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, jaybuck43 said: The staining on it is incredible. Very concerning. I wouldn’t have been expected that level of staining either but I don’t care I STILL LOVE HER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, John E. said: Now that you bring it up, the trade dress may or may not be original. I'd be surprised if it was tbh. I wish there were before and after pics so I could get a sense of what I'm really looking at. Oh well. Killer piece regardless, but its been played with I think. Edited October 13, 2020 by Bronty Chicago Boy and John E. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttock Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, Bronty said: Good lord that's a terrible image of the art. That's the best they could get? What's "been done to it?". Something has, I would wager, from the looks of the piece? Fishler's shirt is even worse. Noob19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanis Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I'm curious what the more experienced collectors here think the staining could have been caused by. That's more severe than sunlight damage from being hung on a wall for 50 years, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glendgold Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I am really curious what more detailed images will tell us about the art's condition. I can't recall another cover from that era with such a large border. Maybe Kane ripped it right off the printing press to sell it? John E. and Twanj 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exitmusicblue Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, John E. said: Now that you bring it up, the trade dress may or may not be original. But fine whatever it’s not going to stop me from putting in a $1001.01 bid. $1051.01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_K Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, vodou said: And Hake's -blah- may yet end up eating their lunch in the next several years Interesting. Can you explain why/how that could happen ? ComicConnect recently improved their web site (still quirky, though). So I think they recognized that problem. Do you see Hake's doing something to catch up and pull away ?? Edited October 13, 2020 by Will_K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowzilla Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, vodou said: Of course they do. Tremendous advertising value, just releasing a number like that for a House that struggles to maintain even third place in the hobby. And Hake's -blah- may yet end up eating their lunch in the next several years Is CC really 3rd? With Clink's prehistoric interface I had assumed CC was #2 and everyone else was a distant 3rd. Edited October 13, 2020 by Crowzilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jaybuck43 Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 40 minutes ago, Will_K said: Interesting. Can you explain why/how that could happen ? ComicConnect recently improved their web site (still quirky, though). So I think they recognized that problem. Do you see Hake's doing something to catch up and pull away ?? Too much tom foolery and too much self-interest. Have you ever been to their office? So much amazing art hanging on the wall.... that they own. When someone walks in and brings a major piece, Vinnie has been known to offer two deals. 1) I'll auction it in the next auction and take 10% or 2) you can walk out of here with $xxx,xxx.00 cash in hand and then CC owns it... Which is why there is so much amazing art hanging on their wall. When you're not routinely bringing major pieces to market (because you're buying them instead) you are going to lose mind share. (Comic Link has been killing it lately with the pieces they are bringing to market, and Heritage is Heritage.) Then there's the tom foolery. Their ridiculous auction format. Heritage is straight forward. Live auctioneer going piece by piece. While I can proxy bid ahead of time, when the piece I want is featured, all of my attention is on that. Even if there is two pieces in the auction I am interested in, only one piece is up at a time. CC has this stupid anti-snipe system, where if someone bids at the end, it extends the closure time by 2 minutes. If I have a piece that is closing at 8:30pm and a piece closing at 8:45pm, it's fine if no-one bids against me. BUT, if anyone comes in and bids near the end of the 8:30pm piece, it extends the closure to 8:32, then 8:34 etc... and suddenly the two pieces I'm interested in are finishing at the same time. Now, which piece am I defending? If I'm busy defending the 8:30pm piece, someone could swoop in and nab the 8:45pm piece. This does the consignor a disservice because it removes a willing bidder from the pool (alternatively, it also makes me cautious, If my nut to spend at HA is $10,000, and the main piece I want is first and I don't get it, I still have my $10,000 nut to spend on subsequent pieces, if I am high bidder on the 8:30pm and the 8:45pm piece and the 8:30pm piece gets extended, I have to be cautious on my bids because after a certain amount of extension time, now both pieces are in play and I can be on the hook for having to pay for both, which means I have to balance my $10,000 nut (meaning the best I can do is $5,000 max on each bid), again hurting consignors. John E., ShallowDan, Gotham Kid and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) Anyone know if the Punisher image is a stat? With that amount of damage to the piece (foxing and what appears to be water damage/staining) you'd think the owner would spend a little & get it looking better! Edited October 13, 2020 by Timely Twanj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...