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Hilarious!   Kudos on the original thread idea!

too much awesome for one thread!

such a great cover... and name!  

Someone helped out cgc with a prescreen grade near Orogo's foot as well.    

maybe so and its a changing of the guard in a very real way as well; this is an estate sale after all. 

I think All New 8 is an amazing cover, but something about the logo and the colors don't grab me as much as some of the others.

On 4/12/2024 at 3:51 PM, adamstrange said:

Speaking as someone who owns some, Church Timely's are spectacular. 

I am among the lucky few who have seen many of these New Adv comics in person (thank you, RHG ). 

It is difficult to convey how disconcerting and delightful it is to look at a comic book that you know is more than 80 years old but that looks like it was printed yesterday.

Awesome.   May I ask which ones you own?   I thought the whole run was with the Verzyl's. 

I agree.   Who wants to get into a battle until 3am

On 4/10/2024 at 10:48 PM, Buzzetta said:

Why do I always feel with these announcements that CGC is tens years away from owning their own auction house where your books can be graded and go directly to market from there all under the CGC umbrella? 

I mean wasn't that basically the case for the first 15 years?    CGC was at least partly owned by Jim H and Steve Ivy wasn't it?   I think I remember reading that.

wow gorgeous

On 4/12/2024 at 10:35 AM, Silver Surfer said:

Yup, it's almost hard to believe when you look at these scans. Hopefully one day we will see proper scans of all the Church Timleys. 

and being later than these books you'd think they'd only be in better condition if that's even possible.

On 4/12/2024 at 9:17 AM, batman_fan said:

Or you could try my business model, I’m a reverse stripper.  I come out naked and the ladies pay me to put my clothes on.

You may be on to something there!

On 4/11/2024 at 2:54 PM, Chip Cataldo said:

I guess it just boggles my mind sometimes that I post here and there are others who post here that can bid $175,000 on something. To me, that's beyond my comprehension.

just a matter of how bad you want something.    I bought something for a little more than that once, but only once.    I sold something else to cover the cost.    

All you really need to bid 175k on something is a collection that has 200k in liquid items in it; its not that high a bar if someone has been collecting a long time and has items with FMV far above cost.    Obviously if your collection has 5m or 20m of items in it, it gets a lot easier.      Not every buy has to be you dropping 200k, it can also be a 200k sideways move.

Only a few people can drop 200k every week like its nothing, but the market at that level isn't just made up of those people.    Its also made up of those who will consign other items, those who are willing to go into debt for a while to pay it off, etc etc.

On 4/10/2024 at 8:56 PM, RareHighGrade said:

My personal White Whale was issue #27.  I searched for decades for a nice copy, with no luck.  I eventually resigned myself to the fact that I would never be able to finish the run.

But then the Ian Levine collection of pre-hero DCs came up for auction.  Ian’s pre-hero run, although complete, consisted almost entirely of low grade and restored books.  Imagine my surprise when I discovered that, tucked away among them, was this breath-taking unrestored beauty.  The hole in my collection was finally filled.   

This issue has the earliest shark cover in comics, as well as an interior ad for Action Comics #1.

 

gorgeous!  congrats.  

On 4/10/2024 at 10:50 PM, TheLostDreams said:

Roger owned the Witches Tales 25 as well...I'm guessing that should show up eventually in this or another auction down the line...

He also owned the cover art painting to Strange Stories from Another World 4 with the zombie rising out of the swamp water towards the viewer by Saunders...

Additionally, he owned the cover art to Chilling Tales 16 (Youthful) that came out of SD Con in the late 90s (you remember...)...I mistakenly thought that was by Hollingsworth, but after digging deeper, think it's by Joseph Szokoli...

more great ones.  (although BCM50 is hard to beat). 

On 4/11/2024 at 7:34 AM, delekkerste said:

Here's another mindboggling factoid: the reported $2 million sale of the 9.8 TOS #39 was to a middleman, not the consignor. The middleman almost surely flipped it to the consignor for even more.  

Also, the 9.8 was a 9.4 that was somehow pressed up 2 full notches after others who viewed the book as a 9.4 thought its potential had already been maximized and passed on it.

I'd still take the book over the art every day of the week and twice on Sunday. At the end of the day, it's top census, population 1. 

oof

On 4/10/2024 at 2:41 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:

Okay, folks. Would you rather have a certified 9.8 copy of TOS 39 that just sold for $840,000, or the TOS 39 page that just sold for $552,000. Is there is a $290,000 difference in value?

 

 

I'm usually pro-art as most of us are here, but in this case I actually feel like the comic could have gone for a little more.   The price on the page feels fair to me.   So I guess I actually see more than a 290k value difference on this one.   Now, if it was the splash, I'd rather have that than the comic, or at the very least its a fair fight.

In addition to Collectors selling Goldin to ebay,   I understand Ebay is selling Ebay Vault to Collectors.     Tradesies.

You might be right on the money!   I tend to be optimistic when I think a piece is really special, but that doesn't always line up with the market.

On 4/9/2024 at 2:54 PM, Captain ShipWreck said:

I agree with you, I believe it to be the best as well - I will not be surprised if it ends up in the Halperin collection. It will be a crazy and fun auction to watch from the sidelines.

Because COC19 is the only decent comp, its also hard to handicap whether it did sell cheap last time.   Certainly its striking to see a 174k sale for the original art in 2020 next to a 102k sale for a 9.6 in 2021 (and later a 72k sale on a 9.2 in 2022).   The margin of the art's results over the result of hg copies is so very slim.

That doesn't mean anything is wrong with that if that's where the supply and demand falls, but it does suggest that perhaps the 2020 sale was a bit soft.    Or maybe not, we'll see, but I'll stick with 500 for now.    That cover is one of those covers that jumped out at you when picking up the Photo Journals for the first time, and I'm guessing that translates into some additional bidding for the OA, but this is a very very difficult piece to predict.   It could be 200 and it could be 650 and it could be anything in between, IMO.

On 4/9/2024 at 2:47 PM, Captain ShipWreck said:

So this is the same comp that came to mind since it's the same type of classic image Black Cat is to comics. However, I think 250k is where this will fall roughly. I could be completely wrong, but I remember the talk when Chamber of Chills was coming up for sale. A lot of collectors were saying 500-750k. When that auction ended many said it was such a deal. If it was, I feel like plenty of offers would have been made, but when you look at the listing, there aren't any pending/rejected.

Right, I understand, and remember.

I guess I'm thinking 174 now means less than 174 then, and I also personally place BC50 at the top of the Harvey covers Elias did, but not everyone will agree.   Will be fun to watch.

I'll throw my hat in the ring with 500 on black cat and 225 on the other one.    I think the best direct comp to these is the Chamber of Chills 19 cover that sold for 174k in 2020.

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/covers/lee-elias-chamber-of-chills-19-cover-original-art-harvey-1953-/a/7234-91009.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

On 4/9/2024 at 2:20 PM, cstojano said:

Yes I am waiting for people that know anything to start throwing their price estimates into this thread. 

Any estimates yourself?

On 4/9/2024 at 2:16 PM, cstojano said:

RADIUM good to go

 you're right!

That's the only written element that will be art.

On 4/9/2024 at 2:15 PM, cstojano said:

Thanks, what I figured. High quality work it seems. 

Yes - seems like they've even chosen paper of a matching tone to make it blend in.