TMNT #1 Club 19 19

[lou_fine]

2 hours ago, Jaydogrules said:

16 hours ago, GM8 said:

The ebay book that sold for $79K this past week is the same book listed on CC for $85K BIN. I just sent the seller a message to see what's the deal with that.

 

However, the book that sold for $90K on Heritage last summer is a different book / CGC # than this one. Completely different. Sorry to spoil your conspiracy.

Perhaps CC just hasn't been notified to remove it from their site yet. (?) 

-J.

Clearly aware that the front cover scan for the $79K eBay copy has the same front cover scan and serial number as the CC BIN copy for $85K.  

The part that I find rather confusing then and highly suspicious is the fact that the back cover scan for the $79K eBay copy appears to be the exact same back cover as the $90K HA copy, as clearly evident from matching tell tale minute details for both of the back cover scans.     

So, the only way this could happen from my own personal point of view is the seller taking a front cover scan from the CC copy and then taking a back cover scan from the HA copy to come up with the eBay copy for his so-called "completed" sale.   The other possibility which I find highly doubtful is that the buyer of the $90K HA copy would decide to take a highly irrational and unconscionable risk by attempting an unsuccessful CPR on an already highest graded copy of a $90K book and then decide to cut their loss by listing it as a BIN on CC for $85K and finally on eBay for the completed sale at $79K.    

Edited June 13, 2020 by lou_fine

[MasterChief]

12 hours ago, lou_fine said:

The part that I find rather confusing then and highly suspicious is the fact that the back cover scan for the $79K eBay copy appears to be the exact same back cover as the $90K HA copy, as clearly evident from matching tell tale minute details for both of the back cover scans.   

No question about it. They are an exact match.

The eBay seller swiped the Heritage image and then cropped it for his eBay listing.

Not only do the black color printing imperfection line up, so do the scanner artifacts that are visible on the slab itself.

 

Edited June 13, 2020 by MasterChief
image work

[GM8]

13 hours ago, lou_fine said:

Clearly aware that the front cover scan for the $79K eBay copy has the same front cover scan and serial number as the CC BIN copy for $85K.  

The part that I find rather confusing then and highly suspicious is the fact that the back cover scan for the $79K eBay copy appears to be the exact same back cover as the $90K HA copy, as clearly evident from matching tell tale minute details for both of the back cover scans.     

So, the only way this could happen from my own personal point of view is the seller taking a front cover scan from the CC copy and then taking a back cover scan from the HA copy to come up with the eBay copy for his so-called "completed" sale.   The other possibility which I find highly doubtful is that the buyer of the $90K HA copy would decide to take a highly irrational and unconscionable risk by attempting an unsuccessful CPR on an already highest graded copy of a $90K book and then decide to cut their loss by listing it as a BIN on CC for $85K and finally on eBay for the completed sale at $79K.    

It's not entirely clear but a sale is a sale is a sale. Comic Connect, Comic Link and Heritage all will have legit sales so whatever happens with those then that's the price.

 

People spending $50K and up for a comic book aren't stupid, they're doing their DD.

[Subby1938]

One of my regrets in collecting I traded my first printing of Tmnt in 9.0 to get a AF15 which I also don’t own now . Used the money to buy my condo so I guess I ddI the right thing but I do have a cool signed 5th printing .....

[Subby1938]

Couple more pics I dig up . I miss this book ...

[lou_fine]

On 6/13/2020 at 1:18 PM, GM8 said:

On 6/12/2020 at 11:23 PM, lou_fine said:

Clearly aware that the front cover scan for the $79K eBay copy has the same front cover scan and serial number as the CC BIN copy for $85K.  

The part that I find rather confusing then and highly suspicious is the fact that the back cover scan for the $79K eBay copy appears to be the exact same back cover as the $90K HA copy, as clearly evident from matching tell tale minute details for both of the back cover scans.     

So, the only way this could happen from my own personal point of view is the seller taking a front cover scan from the CC copy and then taking a back cover scan from the HA copy to come up with the eBay copy for his so-called "completed" sale.   The other possibility which I find highly doubtful is that the buyer of the $90K HA copy would decide to take a highly irrational and unconscionable risk by attempting an unsuccessful CPR on an already highest graded copy of a $90K book and then decide to cut their loss by listing it as a BIN on CC for $85K and finally on eBay for the completed sale at $79K.    

It's not entirely clear but a sale is a sale is a sale.

Except when it's not, which is CLEARLY the case here when the eBay seller scammer simply stole scans of both the front cover and back cover from 2 different copies to come up with this listing and so-called "completed" sale on eBay.  

 

On 6/13/2020 at 1:18 PM, GM8 said:

Comic Connect, Comic Link and Heritage all will have legit sales so whatever happens with those then that's the price.

Will definitely agree with you here in virtually all cases, but unfortunately eBay is a completely different animal and is home for all of the scammers and GPA manipulators.  

 

On 6/13/2020 at 1:18 PM, GM8 said:

People spending $50K and up for a comic book aren't stupid, they're doing their DD.

They most definitely should be doing their due diligence, but unfortunately most of them simply rely on something like the GPA stats on the assumption that they are always correct.  Unfortunately, this is a classic example and the tell tale MO of GPA manipulation with respect to this fraudulent and non-sale of a TMNT #1 for $79,950 Monoploy dollars done for the sole purpose of manipulating the GPA stats to show a high value sale that never actually took place.  Certainly hope that @gpanalysis is on the ball and able to see through this whole scam here.    

[Schmakt]

Does anyone in this thread have this copy? Or know where it is? Or what it went for?

http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/2016/04/important-update-re-chance-to-bid-on.html

0502632001

[lou_fine]

On 5/21/2020 at 4:18 PM, pubmonkey said:

On 5/21/2020 at 3:02 PM, GM8 said:

This copy "sold" on Comiclink on 12/5/19 for $50K, so clearly that sale fell through.

 

I had the 11/21/19 sale at $52,800...was there another one I missed or are you thinking of this one?  link here: https://comics.ha.com/itm/modern-age-1980-present-/alternative-underground/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-1-mirage-studios-1984-cgc-nm-mt-98-white-pages/a/7212-91102.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

Yup that’s the one...

Well, there's always the possibility that it was actually a completed and "paid for" sale and the buyer is simply doing a quick flip on the book to either hopefully make some money on it or to recoup some of his money in light of this negative pandemic driven business environment?    

Then again, I don't seem to see this particular book listed as one of their November/December 2019 Fall Feature Auction highlights, so you are probably correct in saying that this particular sale might have actually fallen through and is really another non-sale.    

Does anybody here still have a link for that TMNT 1 listing in the CL November/December 2019 Fall Feature Auction and can post it here for us. 

Edited June 17, 2020 by lou_fine

[RayJr]

Here is my copy. It is a 3rd print. I had the 1st print as a kid but lost it once I joined the Army in 93. Haven't been able to find one within my budget yet but this one will do. Signed by Kevin Eastman in 2016 at The Amazing Las Vegas Con.

[GM8]

On 6/16/2020 at 2:34 PM, lou_fine said:

Except when it's not, which is CLEARLY the case here when the eBay seller scammer simply stole scans of both the front cover and back cover from 2 different copies to come up with this listing and so-called "completed" sale on eBay.  

Comic Connect got back to me on their BIN copy @ $85K, saying that it has been up since January and that it is from a long-time seller. So it appears you are correct that the ebay sale is a fake sale with pictures from 2 other books swiped to make it look authentic. 

There's really no reason for someone to do this unless they own the same book. Of the 2 copies out there, the CC copy and the CL copy, they don't appear to have any connecion to this "nekobooks" seller from ebay. We will see going forward.

On 6/16/2020 at 2:34 PM, lou_fine said:

 

Will definitely agree with you here in virtually all cases, but unfortunately eBay is a completely different animal and is home for all of the scammers and GPA manipulators.  

 

They most definitely should be doing their due diligence, but unfortunately most of them simply rely on something like the GPA stats on the assumption that they are always correct.  Unfortunately, this is a classic example and the tell tale MO of GPA manipulation with respect to this fraudulent and non-sale of a TMNT #1 for $79,950 Monoploy dollars done for the sole purpose of manipulating the GPA stats to show a high value sale that never actually took place.  Certainly hope that @gpanalysis is on the ball and able to see through this whole scam here.    

They should definitely remove the ebay sale from their records if they haven't already.

[lou_fine]

16 hours ago, GM8 said:

Comic Connect got back to me on their BIN copy @ $85K, saying that it has been up since January and that it is from a long-time seller. So it appears you are correct that the ebay sale is a fake sale with pictures from 2 other books swiped to make it look authentic. 

That's fantastic that you took the time and went through all of the trouble to contact CC on this book and then post your findings to keep all of us in the loop.  

 

16 hours ago, GM8 said:

There's really no reason for someone to do this unless they own the same book. Of the 2 copies out there, the CC copy and the CL copy, they don't appear to have any connecion to this "nekobooks" seller from ebay. We will see going forward.

Yes, I heard from a few boardies of good standing here through PM's that this is the classic MO for scammers to create fraudulent eBay transactions in order to manipulate GPA stats in hopes of showing an increasing trend in valuations of books which they own in their personal collection.  A so-called "completed" sale at this price point of almost $80K would definitely influence the trending valuation of this book in this grade since they simply don't come to market that often.  Since you think the CL sale back in December might possibly have fallen through, then this means the only 2 completed sales for TMNT 1 in CGC 9.8 both took place at Heritage, with the August 2019 copy going for $90K and the November 2019 copy going for $52,800.  Though dated and probably irrelevant at this time would be the 2 copies sold in 2018 through Heritage, with both going in the mid to high $30K price range.  From the CC archives, it would also appear that they sold a copy for $59K, although there is no actual date specified since it was not an auction format sale.  

As a result, it will definitely be interesting to see where this copy goes for and see if it is closer to the $90K range or back in the $50K+ range where the last Heritage copy was and also whenever the last CC copy sold.  I guess only time will tell as it has been sitting there at $42K with only a few more weeks to go.    

 

16 hours ago, GM8 said:

They should definitely remove the ebay sale from their records if they haven't already.

I went onto GoCollect and noticed that the sale has now been removed and I received a PM from a boardie saying that it has also been removed from the GPA records.  

Edited June 19, 2020 by lou_fine

[GM8]

21 hours ago, lou_fine said:

That's fantastic that you took the time and went through all of the trouble to contact CC on this book and then post your findings to keep all of us in the loop.  

Thanks, they're usually good about getting back.

21 hours ago, lou_fine said:

Since you think the CL sale back in December might possibly have fallen through, then this means the only 2 completed sales for TMNT 1 in CGC 9.8 both took place at Heritage, with the August 2019 copy going for $90K and the November 2019 copy going for $52,800.

The CL sale that ended on December 5, 2019 was not completed. The same book is now for sale again at CL currently at auction.

Previous:

https://comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FSEARCH.ASP%3Fwhere%3Dsell%26title%3Dteenage%20mutant%26ItemType%3DCB%23Item_1364734&id=1364734&itemType=0

New:

https://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FSEARCH.ASP%3FPreviewCode%3D2020june%26where%3Dauctions%26title%3DTurtles%26GO%3DGO%26ItemType%3DCB%23Item_1404932&id=1404932&itemType=0#detail

21 hours ago, lou_fine said:

As a result, it will definitely be interesting to see where this copy goes for and see if it is closer to the $90K range or back in the $50K+ range where the last Heritage copy was and also whenever the last CC copy sold.  I guess only time will tell as it has been sitting there at $42K with only a few more weeks to go.    

Yes,  we're at 42K with 18 days remaining. We'll see if the buyer pays this time! They should ban whoever won it in December and never paid, that's for certain.

21 hours ago, lou_fine said:

I went onto GoCollect and noticed that the sale has now been removed and I received a PM from a boardie saying that it has also been removed from the GPA records.  

Good.

[lou_fine]

3 hours ago, GM8 said:

The CL sale that ended on December 5, 2019 was not completed. The same book is now for sale again at CL currently at auction.

Previous:

https://comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FSEARCH.ASP%3Fwhere%3Dsell%26title%3Dteenage%20mutant%26ItemType%3DCB%23Item_1364734&id=1364734&itemType=0

New:

https://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FSEARCH.ASP%3FPreviewCode%3D2020june%26where%3Dauctions%26title%3DTurtles%26GO%3DGO%26ItemType%3DCB%23Item_1404932&id=1404932&itemType=0#detail

As I had alluded to in a previous post up above, is there any chance that the December CL sale might have actually been completed and the buyer is simply putting the book back out their in either an attempted flip for profit or to recoup some of his money back in this pandemic crunch?  

Personally, I don't think so since this December TMNT 1 auction result is no longer showing up in any of their CL highlights which is something they definitely would be promoting the heck out of if it had actually gone through successfully.  

[GM8]

5 hours ago, lou_fine said:

As I had alluded to in a previous post up above, is there any chance that the December CL sale might have actually been completed and the buyer is simply putting the book back out their in either an attempted flip for profit or to recoup some of his money back in this pandemic crunch?  

Personally, I don't think so since this December TMNT 1 auction result is no longer showing up in any of their CL highlights which is something they definitely would be promoting the heck out of if it had actually gone through successfully.  

Well, I just messaged Jason and per CL the December sale at $50K is legitimate. The buyer is now selling the same comic at auction. So, in the past year there were 3 confirmed sales: 90K,52.8K & 50K.

[spracknetch23]

On 6/16/2020 at 4:05 AM, Subby1938 said:

Couple more pics I dig up . I miss this book ...

It goes great with the very rare Donatello statue. I hope you still have that! I used to have all 4, what a set  

[Subby1938]

I do have them and what a set! Now to get the comic back ....

[ADAMANTIUM]

14 minutes ago, Subby1938 said:

I do have them and what a set! Now to get the comic back ....

 

[TMNT]

1 hour ago, Subby1938 said:

Now to get the comic back ....

You and me both! Really hoping to get one soon

[lou_fine]

On 6/19/2020 at 5:18 PM, GM8 said:

On 6/19/2020 at 11:32 AM, lou_fine said:

As I had alluded to in a previous post up above, is there any chance that the December CL sale might have actually been completed and the buyer is simply putting the book back out their in either an attempted flip for profit or to recoup some of his money back in this pandemic crunch?  

Personally, I don't think so since this December TMNT 1 auction result is no longer showing up in any of their CL highlights which is something they definitely would be promoting the heck out of if it had actually gone through successfully.  

Well, I just messaged Jason and per CL the December sale at $50K is legitimate. The buyer is now selling the same comic at auction. So, in the past year there were 3 confirmed sales: 90K,52.8K & 50K.

Hmmmm.......................well, that's definitely interesting and food for some thought then.  

Looks like it's got a Reserve Price on it for this go round though which has still not been met yet at this $42K price point which it is still currently sitting at, which makes me kind of wonder what the reserve has been set at and whether it will even be met.  I guess only time will tell if the bidding goes high enough to activate it or not.   

 

Well, maybe there were actually 4 confirmed sales as I don't actually know when this sale took place since it was not part of their usual auction format sale:

https://www.comicconnect.com/item/877988?tzf=1

It would appear that this copy here sold for $59,000 in a non-auction formatted sale.  

Edited June 21, 2020 by lou_fine

[GM8]

12 hours ago, lou_fine said:

Hmmmm.......................well, that's definitely interesting and food for some thought then.  

Looks like it's got a Reserve Price on it for this go round though which has still not been met yet at this $42K price point which it is still currently sitting at, which makes me kind of wonder what the reserve has been set at and whether it will even be met.  I guess only time will tell if the bidding goes high enough to activate it or not.   

 

Well, maybe there were actually 4 confirmed sales as I don't actually know when this sale took place since it was not part of their usual auction format sale:

https://www.comicconnect.com/item/877988?tzf=1

It would appear that this copy here sold for $59,000 in a non-auction formatted sale.  

Well that's interesting...haven't seen this sale before. This is the same book that sold for $90K last summer. I have a message into CC to see when this was.