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Hi,

 

Just quick question but do you have an email we can direct updates for label information?

 

I have an issue I wish to submit (Journey into Fear #1, superior comics, 1951) but all the CGC labels I see do not have artist information though it is known that artist Matt Baker did the interiors for 2 of the stories within (based on HA.com auctions this is known, and from http://www.comics.org/issue/64882/)

 

He was a big name for that era and issues are often collected for his art alone so it would be a good idea to apply credit where credit is due. Thanks :)

 

 

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I actually have a similar issue.

 

During the release of the 3 issue mini-series UNTOLD LEGENDS OF THE BATMAN released in 1980, I noticed CGC listed Jim Aparo as the Artist of the Cover AND Interiors on issue #3 of that book.

 

In reality, Jim Aparo only did the interiors for issues #2 & 3. Jose Luis Garcia Lopez (penciller) and Giordano (inker) both created all the covers for that series. Although both signatures do not appear on the comic cover of issue #3, they do appear in a paperback reprint of the series.

 

In fact, the book publisher used the cover from issue #3 as their cover for that paperback collection. You can clearly see that Jose Luis Garcia Lopez & Giordano signed their work at the center, bottom of that cover.

 

A simple google image search of UNTOLD LEGENDS OF THE BATMAN #3 will show you the signatures.

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Captain america comics #3 - the standard cgc text says that there is a 1 page text story by stan lee (which was his first work in comics), but it's actually a 2 page story.

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Hi,

 

I just got graded a Mighty Thor 180 on the signature series label. This issue is the UK edition with CGC number 1232189002. All the label says is UK edition with no creator or artist information like the regular US edition has. I will be resubmitting this book after gaining another signature so I was wondering if this information could be added to the UK label before I resubmit in the near future?

 

Cheers, Howard

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The notes have been added for that book you should see them when you re-submit that book.

 

Thanks,

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I believe the following books need updated labels:

 

The first book that I believe needs a label update is X-Men Annual #14, which hit the stores/stands May 29th, 1990. The current label that CGC assigns to this book only mentions a “Gambit cameo”, but he appears on 9 pages and 15 total panels, which for all intents and purposes, comprises a “full appearance”. Since the annual was available a full two weeks before X-Men #266 (which is currently labeled as the “first full appearance of Gambit and hit the stands on June 19th, 1990), I think the Annual should be updated and labeled as “the first full appearance of Gambit.” I believe with increased interest in Gambit due to the upcoming movie, this is a change that needs to come sooner rather than later so novice collectors can know they’re getting the real “first full appearance.” There’s a current thread in the Copper forum that provides many pieces of proof to support this label change, including shipping dates in the Spring/Summer of 1990, the copyright info for both books, and scans of the panels and dialogue that Gambit has in X-Men Annual #14. That thread is located here:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8369430&fpart=1

 

 

The second book that I think needs label clarification is the Walmart Exclusive Iron Man: Movie Special Issue #1 from September/October of 2008. This was an ashcan sized, squarebound comic that came with certain copies of the Iron Man movie DVD sold in Walmart stores. This comic is set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and features Agent Phil Coulson extensively. It predates all other appearances of him in the comic medium. Scans of the book in question and Coulson himself are featured here:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8156068#Post8156068

 

CGC currently labels Battle Scars #1 (published November 2011) as the first appearance of Phil Coulson, but it’s only the first appearance of Coulson within the Marvel 616 Universe. It is predated by not only the Walmart Exclusive Iron Man: Movie Special #1 in 2008, but also the Iron Man/Incredible Hulk/Nick Fury one shot comic (set in the Cinematic Universe, published February 2009) and the Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. one shot (set in the Cinematic Universe, published in November 2010). Pictures and scans of those books are here:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8153925#Post8153925

 

Thus, I propose some sort of labeling of these books as follows:

 

Walmart Exclusive Iron Man: Movie Special Issue #1(2008) - First appearance of Phil Coulson

 

Iron Man/Incredible Hulk/Nick Fury one shot (2009) - first appearance of Phil Coulson in a regular size comic

 

Battle Scars #1 (2011) – first appearance of Phil Coulson in the Marvel 616 Universe continuity

 

 

The third and final book I believe needs a label update is Avenging Spider-Man #9 (2011). This book needs to be noted as the issue where “Carol Danvers becomes Captain Marvel”. Although in continuity this issue takes place after Captain Marvel #1 (2011), Avenging Spider-Man #9 came out a week earlier, and contains a printed preface from Marvel on the first page acknowledging this fact. That page can be viewed here:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8152574#Post8152574

 

CBCS are already labeling graded copies of Avenging #9 “Carol Danvers becomes Captain Marvel (2nd in Continuity)”, and I would like to see CGC do the same before I send you guys my copies to be graded.

 

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So we've talked about it in the grading room and this is what we did -

 

Avenging Spider-man #9 -

1st Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel, predates Captain Marvel #1 (9/12)

 

Captain Marvel #1 -

Carol Danvers becomes the new Captain Marvel.

 

Iron Man Wal-Mart Custom Comic

1st appearance of Phil Coulson in comics (out of Marvel Universe continuity).

 

Battle Scars #1

1st appearance of Phil Coulson in Marvel Universe continuity.

 

X-Men Annual #14

Gambit cameo (pre-dates Uncanny X-Men #266).

 

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So we've talked about it in the grading room and this is what we did -

 

Avenging Spider-man #9 -

1st Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel, predates Captain Marvel #1 (9/12)

 

Captain Marvel #1 -

Carol Danvers becomes the new Captain Marvel.

 

Iron Man Wal-Mart Custom Comic

1st appearance of Phil Coulson in comics (out of Marvel Universe continuity).

 

Battle Scars #1

1st appearance of Phil Coulson in Marvel Universe continuity.

 

X-Men Annual #14

Gambit cameo (pre-dates Uncanny X-Men #266).

Shouldn't X-Men Annual #14 really be a first appearance,period? How can someone be in 17 panels,gets named, and not be a first appearance? Heck Darkseid is only on a t.v. screen in one panel , and it's noted as a first appearance.

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Any chance of updating Fantastic Four 62 as the 1st appearance of Blastaar?

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Hi,

 

I was wondering if you could add "Last Jack Kirby Thor" to the label of Thor Vol. 1 179. This is similar to Strange Tales 146 where you have "Last Steve Ditko Dr. Strange".

 

Cheers, Howard

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I believe the following books need updated labels:

 

The first book that I believe needs a label update is X-Men Annual #14, which hit the stores/stands May 29th, 1990. The current label that CGC assigns to this book only mentions a “Gambit cameo”, but he appears on 9 pages and 15 total panels, which for all intents and purposes, comprises a “full appearance”. Since the annual was available a full two weeks before X-Men #266 (which is currently labeled as the “first full appearance of Gambit and hit the stands on June 19th, 1990), I think the Annual should be updated and labeled as “the first full appearance of Gambit.” I believe with increased interest in Gambit due to the upcoming movie, this is a change that needs to come sooner rather than later so novice collectors can know they’re getting the real “first full appearance.” There’s a current thread in the Copper forum that provides many pieces of proof to support this label change, including shipping dates in the Spring/Summer of 1990, the copyright info for both books, and scans of the panels and dialogue that Gambit has in X-Men Annual #14. That thread is located here:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8369430&fpart=1

 

Many are comparing X-Men Annual #14 to Hulk 180. What I posted in that X-Men Annual #14 thread.

 

That is what makes the release of X-Men Annual #14 an odd duck when compared to the content of UXM #266. Continuity-wise, the story in the latter happens before the story in the former. And with the footnote in X-Men Annual #14, it references to read UXM 265-267 to understand what happened leading up to the story in X-Men Annual #14.

 

So this is not like Hulk 180 and 181. The continuity in those two books is Wolverine appears in the last panel of Hulk 180, the story continues in 181, and then in 183 off Wolverine goes after the battle. In that case, Marvel cleanly kept the story flowing in the right order.

 

CGC potential label clarity:

X-Men Annual #14: 1st published Gambit appearance (noted as appearing in UXM 266 beforehand)

UXM #266: 1st appearance of Gambit based on storyline content

 

That's reality.

 

Marvel released these Gambit appearances without any thought of continuity, other than the footnote in X-Men Annual #14 making it clear to know more of Ororo and Gambit's adventures you needed to read UXM 265-267 to follow the story in X-Men Annual #14. To call X-Men Annual #14 his 1st appearance because of how Marvel released the story would be disregarding the rest of the storyline.

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There has been some question whether Star Wars Hot Topic were all manufactured with a polybag and whether this should be inputted on the CGC label. Yes, all of these books were manufactured with a polybag. This was the big fuss about the Avengers ad in the back which you could not see because it had a backing board. In fact, CBCS comics has acknowledged this and has put this on their labels. Here are some pictures.

 

 

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Hello:

 

 

I noticed that Fantastic Four 204 does not reflect cameo of Nova Corps on Key comments. Also, Fantastic Four 205 does not reflect the full appearance of Nova Corps on Key comments. Wikipedia reflects this. Just wondering. I have several books in graded status.

 

Thank you.

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Walking Dead #36, some CGC labels read:

"Death" of Martinez.

Pin-up on back cover by Cliff Rathburn.

 

Some just read:

Pin-up on back cover by Cliff Rathburn.

 

Shouldn't it have both lines? Thanks.

 

 

Also, Walking Dead #69 should read:

1st appearance of Heath, Scott, Tobin,

Bruce & the Alexandria Safe-Zone.

 

Some we saw were blank on the right side.

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Label updates for Fantastic four 204 (cameo appearance of Nova Corps) and Fantastic four 205 (full appearance of Corps).

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