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Record Magazine Prices - Throw out your Overstreet Guide!
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2 hours ago, oakman29 said:

What did the 9.2 on Comiclink go for?

The last 2 I’m aware of on Clink was one CGC 9.2 OW/W went for $2100.00 and then a CGC 9.2 with white pages went for $3600.00. A little crazy since a CGC 9.4 with white pages sold for $4100.00 or only $500.00 more. 

Overstreet ran those tag lines “prices vary greatly” on some books and me thinks Vampirella #1 prices are kind of bouncing around a lot in their expected “ranges” right now and deserve that warning to buyers. 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, N e r V said:

The last 2 I’m aware of on Clink was one CGC 9.2 OW/W went for $2100.00 and then a CGC 9.2 with white pages went for $3600.00. A little crazy since a CGC 9.4 with white pages sold for $4100.00 or only $500.00 more. 

Overstreet ran those tag lines “prices vary greatly” on some books and me thinks Vampirella #1 prices are kind of bouncing around a lot in their expected “ranges” right now and deserve that warning to buyers. 

 

 

Man am I glad I bought my 9.2 when I did.:whistle:

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3 hours ago, wombat said:

Fanal price of $2,125. Surprised it didn't move at all at the end. 

2k-3k was my guessed ranges for 9.2’s right now

Might be random as to why it stayed closer to low 2k or it might be too many Vampi #1’s are coming out for sale these days. Prices have moved up but so have the number of copies a buyer can pick from.

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2 minutes ago, N e r V said:

2k-3k was my guessed ranges for 9.2’s right now

Might be random as to why it stayed closer to low 2k or it might be too many Vampi #1’s are coming out for sale these days. Prices have moved up but so have the number of copies a buyer can pick from.

How many 9.2 and above are in the census?

Cant be many.

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4 minutes ago, oakman29 said:

How many 9.2 and above are in the census?

Cant be many.

Oh yeah? :baiting:

 

 
  Grade Universal Qualified Signature Series Restored
See Detail 		  Total
Mint   10.0 0 0 0 0   0
Mint   9.9 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint/Mint   9.8 1 0 0 0   1
Near Mint +   9.6 8 0 0 0   8
Near Mint   9.4 16 0 2 0   18
Near Mint -   9.2 24 0 0 0   24
Very Fine/Near Mint   9.0 45 0 3 0   48
Very Fine +   8.5 45 0 5 1   51
Very Fine   8.0 44 1 8 4   57
Very Fine -   7.5 51 0 6 2   59
Fine/Very Fine   7.0 62 1 13 1   77
Fine +   6.5 37 0 4 5   46
Fine   6.0 31 0 3 3   37
Fine -   5.5 27 0 3 0   30
Very Good/Fine   5.0 18 0 1 0   19
Very Good +   4.5 18 0 2 1   21
Very Good   4.0 12 0 2 0   14
Very Good -   3.5 5 0 0 1   6
Good/Very Good   3.0 1 0 1 0   2
Good +   2.5 0 0 1 0   1
Good   2.0 4 0 0 0   4
Good -   1.8 0 0 0 0   0
Fair/Good   1.5 0 0 1 0   1
Fair   1.0 1 0 0 0   1
Poor   0.5 0 0 0 1   1
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  Total 450 2 55 19   526

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I briefly thought of upgrading mine with a raw high grade copy to slab and I can tell you this having checked around with some dealers and looking 2 years at SDCC there are still a lot of HG raw copies to inflate the above census. It’s a great book for sure but not at all that hard to find these days. One of my ex-dealer friends at SDCC pulled out a box of I believe close to a dozen raw number #1’s with none of them below a solid VF and a few that would go above 9.0 easily with a press. Probably should have bought one then but oh well, I own a solid copy still. 

 

 

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To be fair though if you compare it to something like a Savage Tales #1 you are correct in its more limited.

 

Title Savage Tales
Issue No. 1
Issue Date 5/71
Year 1971
Publisher Marvel Comics
Country  
Key Comments 2nd Conan comic title, Robert E. Howard adaptation, Origin & 1st appearance Man-Thing. Ka-Zar story.
Art Comments Lee, Thomas & Conway stories, John Buscema cover, Windsor-Smith, Romita, Morrow, Colan & Buscema art
Country/Variant - 
  Grade Universal Qualified Signature Series Restored
See Detail 		  Total
Mint   10.0 0 0 0 0   0
Mint   9.9 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint/Mint   9.8 15 1 1 0   17
Near Mint +   9.6 37 0 2 0   39
Near Mint   9.4 43 0 1 0   44
Near Mint -   9.2 42 0 2 0   44
Very Fine/Near Mint   9.0 35 0 1 0   36
Very Fine +   8.5 41 0 1 0   42
Very Fine   8.0 36 0 2 1   39
Very Fine -   7.5 32 0 1 0   33
Fine/Very Fine   7.0 19 0 2 5   26
Fine +   6.5 13 0 0 1   14
Fine   6.0 14 0 1 1   16
Fine -   5.5 8 0 3 0   11
Very Good/Fine   5.0 5 0 1 0   6
Very Good +   4.5 5 0 0 0   5
Very Good   4.0 2 0 0 0   2
Very Good -   3.5 3 0 0 1   4
Good/Very Good   3.0 0 0 0 0   0
Good +   2.5 1 0 0 0   1
Good   2.0 0 0 0 0   0
Good -   1.8 0 0 0 0   0
Fair/Good   1.5 0 0 0 0   0
Fair   1.0 0 0 0 0   0
Poor   0.5 1 0 0 0   1
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  Total 352 1 18 9   380

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As a golden age comic collector I’m used to a lot of books having a total of 10 or 20 copies in all conditions slabbed so the numbers above for me are extremely large vs much of my collecting. :devil:

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On 6/2/2019 at 5:30 PM, Stevemmg said:

Will be interesting. Anyone else notice how loosely they seem to grade Vampirella #1’s in the 9.0-9.2 range?  I’ve seen a lot in that grade that shouldn’t be better than 8.5. 

Yes; I think this is the case for a lot of magazines (looser grading compared to their comic counterparts).

Oh, and Hi Steve :hi: It's been a while but saw you rummaging around some local shows recently. Hope all is well.

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On 6/2/2019 at 3:30 PM, Stevemmg said:

Will be interesting. Anyone else notice how loosely they seem to grade Vampirella #1’s in the 9.0-9.2 range?  I’ve seen a lot in that grade that shouldn’t be better than 8.5. 

 

2 hours ago, manetteska said:

Yes; I think this is the case for a lot of magazines (looser grading compared to their comic counterparts).

Oh, and Hi Steve :hi: It's been a while but saw you rummaging around some local shows recently. Hope all is well.

@Stevemmg & @manetteska

 

It's important to really think about this objectively.  I don't think that CGC specifically grades Magazines Looser.  I think there are variables at play which don't make it apples to apples when comparing to comic books.

For example; none of us really know what the "CGC Grading Algorithm is".  But there is some framework there that they follow.  I don't think though that it's  just simply "grading magazines looser".

My theory is the following. 

  • CGC has part of their formula based on size of medium being graded. 
  • For example a standard comic is approximately 432 cm2 (length x width). 
  • A standard comic magazine is approximately 575 cm2.  This is roughly 25% larger in size.

I do think that CGC may scale their defect accumulation to a degree.  This could theoretically allow for what may feel like 25% more defects.  Or more prominent due to their measured size.

So in a case where 4 Spine ticks can be seen on a 9.4 Standard Comic book, this may be allowed in a 9.6 Comic Magazine due to a scale (if this exists).

Further Comic Magazines were MUCH MORE susceptible to bindery tears which sometimes can make books look garbage.  These are often allowed without punishment as I've seen them on 9.6-9.8 Magazines before.  

 

 

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My personal experience is that its much harder to find super high grade magazines than it is to find super high grade contemporary comic books.  Comparing census data for Vampi 1 versus another newstand 9/69 issue, Captain America 117 (also a SA key), my gut feeling is confirmed at least for those two books.

Title Captain America
Issue No. 117
Issue Date 9/69
Year 1969
Publisher Marvel Comics
Country  
Key Comments Origin and 1st appearance of the, Falcon (Sam Wilson) and Redwing., Red Skull appearance. M.O.D.O.K. cameo.
Art Comments Stan Lee story, Gene Colan and Joe Sinnott art, Colan, Sinnott and Romita cover
Country/Variant -
  Grade Universal Qualified Signature Series Restored
See Detail 		  Total
Mint   10.0 0 0 0 0   0
Mint   9.9 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint/Mint   9.8 9 1 1 0   11
Near Mint +   9.6 27 2 0 0   29
Near Mint   9.4 80 1 9 1   91
Near Mint -   9.2 89 4 4 1   98
Very Fine/Near Mint   9.0 93 6 11 1   111
Very Fine +   8.5 141 3 16 2   162
Very Fine   8.0 149 2 20 7   178
Very Fine -   7.5 145 2 14 1   162
Fine/Very Fine   7.0 128 1 20 2   151
Fine +   6.5 111 0 16 2   129
Fine   6.0 101 0 27 4   132
Fine -   5.5 62 0 11 4   77
Very Good/Fine   5.0 89 1 18 2   110
Very Good +   4.5 39 0 18 0   57
Very Good   4.0 36 1 17 1   55
Very Good -   3.5 22 1 3 0   26
Good/Very Good   3.0 12 0 5 0   17
Good +   2.5 2 0 0 0   2
Good   2.0 2 0 0 0   2
Good -   1.8 0 0 0 0   0
Fair/Good   1.5 0 0 0 0   0
Fair   1.0 0 0 0 0   0
Poor   0.5 0 0 0 0   0
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  Total 1337 25 210 28   1600
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1 hour ago, ThothAmon said:

My personal experience is that its much harder to find super high grade magazines than it is to find super high grade contemporary comic books.  Comparing census data for Vampi 1 versus another newstand 9/69 issue, Captain America 117 (also a SA key), my gut feeling is confirmed at least for those two books.

Title Captain America
Issue No. 117
Issue Date 9/69
Year 1969
Publisher Marvel Comics
Country  
Key Comments Origin and 1st appearance of the, Falcon (Sam Wilson) and Redwing., Red Skull appearance. M.O.D.O.K. cameo.
Art Comments Stan Lee story, Gene Colan and Joe Sinnott art, Colan, Sinnott and Romita cover
Country/Variant -
  Grade Universal Qualified Signature Series Restored
See Detail 		  Total
Mint   10.0 0 0 0 0   0
Mint   9.9 0 0 0 0   0
Near Mint/Mint   9.8 9 1 1 0   11
Near Mint +   9.6 27 2 0 0   29
Near Mint   9.4 80 1 9 1   91
Near Mint -   9.2 89 4 4 1   98
Very Fine/Near Mint   9.0 93 6 11 1   111
Very Fine +   8.5 141 3 16 2   162
Very Fine   8.0 149 2 20 7   178
Very Fine -   7.5 145 2 14 1   162
Fine/Very Fine   7.0 128 1 20 2   151
Fine +   6.5 111 0 16 2   129
Fine   6.0 101 0 27 4   132
Fine -   5.5 62 0 11 4   77
Very Good/Fine   5.0 89 1 18 2   110
Very Good +   4.5 39 0 18 0   57
Very Good   4.0 36 1 17 1   55
Very Good -   3.5 22 1 3 0   26
Good/Very Good   3.0 12 0 5 0   17
Good +   2.5 2 0 0 0   2
Good   2.0 2 0 0 0   2
Good -   1.8 0 0 0 0   0
Fair/Good   1.5 0 0 0 0   0
Fair   1.0 0 0 0 0   0
Poor   0.5 0 0 0 0   0
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  Total 1337 25 210 28   1600

I’m not trying to challenge this remark because I honestly don’t know if it’s true or not but I’d add that my experience (so far at least) is that magazine collecting is still much, much smaller than its big brother the comic book and seems to be largely an extension of that field. So because of it being often a later choice to get slabbed vs a comic book I think we see smaller numbers in slabs. I see a lot more cheaper comic books that people slab too maybe because they just have cool covers where as I think it’s rarer to see a cheaper magazine in a slab. Usually it’s the value of the magazine that determines if it’s in a slab or not. So again in my experience if I’m say looking for a high grade copy of Vampirella #1 or Savage Tales #1 (two of the more expensive magazines right now) I’m seeing far more raw copies than I do in slabs.

So I guess what I’m trying to say (in my opinion again) is that the comic book is far more likely to end up in a slab than a magazine. 

Like it or not the magazine sector is still a little bit of an afterthought in comic collecting. It’s changed for the better in recent years and I don’t see it not continuing to get better as it grows but it still lags behind the comic book in how many people view them as a priority with collecting.

OK, you can throw those rocks at me now for talking smack about magazines...:devil:

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FYI, I love magazine collecting more than ever now and with so much in the comic book sector exploding it’s a bit nice to have a place that increases but still kind of flies under the radar vs what’s happening in comics at times...

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