n2wdw's Tales of the Comic Book Room 15 15

[n2wdw]

I'm not doing anything on this lazy Saturday, so I thought I'd post some comics (and one pulp) I've bought lately.

 

Edited November 3, 2018 by n2wdw

[Robot Man]

Man, I'm old... I remember buying that Atom #1 off the newstand...

There is just something about that black haired girl on Diary Secrets #10...

[Yorick]

4 hours ago, n2wdw said:

I'm not doing anything on this lazy Saturday, so I thought I'd post some comics (and one pulp) I've bought lately.

 

I am so glad that you won the DS10.  I missed the auction and was disappointed at how low it sold for!

I think Robotman's is also a Canadian copy (if I recall correctly?).

[n2wdw]

3 hours ago, Robot Man said:

Man, I'm old... I remember buying that Atom #1 off the newstand...

There is just something about that black haired girl on Diary Secrets #10...

Beautiful copy!

[n2wdw]

5 minutes ago, Yorick said:

I am so glad that you won the DS10.  I missed the auction and was disappointed at how low it sold for!

I think Robotman's is also a Canadian copy (if I recall correctly?).

Thanks -- sometimes you can get good bargains with restored books.

[n2wdw]

My Home Office And Collecting Equipment

I have my home office in the comic room.  It's shown as Desk 1 in the map.  I like working at this desk because I'm surrounded by my collection.

 

Under Desk 1 are some pull out shelves I rigged up.  I'm kind of proud of them as I'm certainly not a handy man.  It's amazing what you can do with stuff from Home Depot.

 

I've finally gotten rid of the big HP legal size scanner.  I used to scan CGC books with it.  But it's too big and I haven't been satisfied with the quality.  Nowadays for CGC books and larger items, I use my iPad, tripod, photo box and remote trigger to take pictures -- I've written about this before.  For raw comics and mags (and small items), I use the Canon LiDE 220 scanner which is cheap and meets my quality standards, and it's small.  Next to the scanner I've got a cutting board, which is critical for trimming mylar and acid free boards.  Thanks for reading.

[Giddion]

What is the value of a diary secrets no.10 

[n2wdw]

22 hours ago, Giddion said:

What is the value of a diary secrets no.10 

Hard to answer as it will always depend on condition.  I got my restored copy for $200.  For an unrestored 6.0 and for a risque cover like this, it would go easily for $600, and probably on eBay you'd see it listed for $1000 or more.

[n2wdw]

Update on CGC Crossover Service

CGC has already gotten back to me on my crossover books that I sent in last week.  They pre-grade the books in the other company's slabs, and they ask for each book if I want to move forward with the CGC grading.  For example, here's a message they sent me:

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On the Li'l Abner Joint the Navy the graders estimated that this could grade out at 4.0-4.5 at CGC's grading standards.  This is currently in a PGX case as a 6.0  Did you still want to proceed with the CGC grading?

 

On most of them, CGC is predicting a lower grade.  I expected that.  I told CGC to proceed with their grading for all the comics I sent in, except for this one:

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On the Spawn 5 the graders estimated that this could grade around a 9.6-9.8.  This is currently in a EGS GLOBAL GRADE of 9.9.  Did you still want to proceed with the CGC grading?

 

I decided not to regrade this one.  I think the EGS slab is cool, and I didn't want to risk the 9.9 grade dropping to 9.6.

 

 

Interestingly, CGC also noted when a press would help, like this next message.  Here, they predicted the grade rising by as much as a whole point with a press.

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On the Nellie the Nurse 3  the graders think this book could benefit from a press and if pressed estimated a grade of 5.5-6.0 at CGC's grading standards.  This is currently in a CBCS case as a 5.0  The pressing fee would be $60 in addition to the CGC grading fees.  Did you want to proceed with the pressing and grading on this comic?

 

For $60 bucks I decided to go with the press for Nellie 3.

 

CGC also noted where restoration removal would help, like this message:

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On the Sheena 4  the graders think this book could benefit from a restoration removal   and if removed  estimated a grade of 6.0-6.5  at CGC's grading standards.  This is currently in a CBCS restored  case as a 7.0.  The removal  fee would be $60 in addition to the CGC grading fees.  Did you want to proceed with the removal  and grading on this comic?

To remove the restoration, CGC predicted a drop in grade from 7.0 (in its current restored state) to 6.0-6.5 (blue).  And it would cost $60 for the removal.  For me it was a no-brainer to remove the restoration.

 

[walclark]

With everything dropping in grade, you’re going to save a ton of money in grading fees.  Good call on the Sheena.

[n2wdw]

11 hours ago, walclark said:

With everything dropping in grade, you’re going to save a ton of money in grading fees.  Good call on the Sheena.

That's exactly my thinking.  With the current crossover promotion, if the grade drops, the re-grading and putting in the CGC slab is only $10.

[CKinTO]

Does anyone have more info around the CrossOver service in terms of whether the graders (who actually grade the book) will know the previous grade (and from which service that grade is from) or even that it is a "CrossOver" book at all? Obviously the "pre-graders" look at the book beforehand in the case to estimate the grade and ask for confirmation, so they'll know, but I'm really curious if after that point, once it's confirmed to be graded, whether those graders will have access to that info. I would hope that at that point, it enters the queue like any other book, and graders have no pre-existing information to start from... I have a few higher value Voldy books that I think are fairly graded (or maybe even have upgrade potential) that would be a no-brainer to send for CrossOver, but makes a difference to me if graders will have any pre-existing info in advance or not.

If they know the grade in advance, I would imagine on the margin, they'd be inclined to err on the lower side (to uphold belief that CGC is the tougher grader), and even if they know it's a CrossOver book (but not the grade), they may still err on the side of grading tougher than usual. 

[n2wdw]

8 hours ago, CKinTO said:

Does anyone have more info around the CrossOver service in terms of whether the graders (who actually grade the book) will know the previous grade (and from which service that grade is from) or even that it is a "CrossOver" book at all? Obviously the "pre-graders" look at the book beforehand in the case to estimate the grade and ask for confirmation, so they'll know, but I'm really curious if after that point, once it's confirmed to be graded, whether those graders will have access to that info. I would hope that at that point, it enters the queue like any other book, and graders have no pre-existing information to start from... I have a few higher value Voldy books that I think are fairly graded (or maybe even have upgrade potential) that would be a no-brainer to send for CrossOver, but makes a difference to me if graders will have any pre-existing info in advance or not.

If they know the grade in advance, I would imagine on the margin, they'd be inclined to err on the lower side (to uphold belief that CGC is the tougher grader), and even if they know it's a CrossOver book (but not the grade), they may still err on the side of grading tougher than usual. 

Interesting question.  I am emailing back and forth with CGC on my crossover book, so I will ask.  Although they may consider this part of their confidential grading process.  I'll report back with what they tell me.

[skypinkblu]

8 hours ago, CKinTO said:

Does anyone have more info around the CrossOver service in terms of whether the graders (who actually grade the book) will know the previous grade (and from which service that grade is from) or even that it is a "CrossOver" book at all? Obviously the "pre-graders" look at the book beforehand in the case to estimate the grade and ask for confirmation, so they'll know, but I'm really curious if after that point, once it's confirmed to be graded, whether those graders will have access to that info. I would hope that at that point, it enters the queue like any other book, and graders have no pre-existing information to start from... I have a few higher value Voldy books that I think are fairly graded (or maybe even have upgrade potential) that would be a no-brainer to send for CrossOver, but makes a difference to me if graders will have any pre-existing info in advance or not.

If they know the grade in advance, I would imagine on the margin, they'd be inclined to err on the lower side (to uphold belief that CGC is the tougher grader), and even if they know it's a CrossOver book (but not the grade), they may still err on the side of grading tougher than usual. 

They see it in the old slab. I got an email saying mine might be the same grade or 1/2 a grade lower, and did I want to proceed.

[n2wdw]

Just now, skypinkblu said:

They see it in the old slab. I got an email saying mine might be the same grade or 1/2 a grade lower, and did I want to proceed.

I think he's asking whether, after you tell CGC to proceed, if the same pre-grader person grades your book, or if it is graded by another grader who does not know about the pre-grade.

[skypinkblu]

2 minutes ago, n2wdw said:

I think he's asking whether, after you tell CGC to proceed, if the same pre-grader person grades your book, or if it is graded by another grader who does not know about the pre-grade.

Ah, that I don't know...but there are not that many graders for each tier, so I doubt it's a big secret.

[skypinkblu]

It's hard to tell what grade a book is until you take it out of the slab.

[comicdonna]

I don't think the graders should be able to see the slab before they grade the book.  People have been sending them PGX books for years.  I thought they were cracked out before presenting them to the graders?

[skypinkblu]

13 minutes ago, comicdonna said:

I don't think the graders should be able to see the slab before they grade the book.  People have been sending them PGX books for years.  I thought they were cracked out before presenting them to the graders?

The crossovers are not being cracked out before someone guesses at a grade.

[BriD.]

I asked about this after I got the email with the grade predictions. I was told the graders don't have any of the old slab info, similar to the way they get pressed books from ccs but aren't made aware that they were pressed. I guess they compare the grades after they're done.