Rorsack Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 I had a book dry cleaned by an experienced amateur (a friend). The book looks much better but the is some slight color loss around an area that previously had a prominent black mark. You can only really notice the color loss if you know where to look under magnification. My question is...since this is noticable, would it possibly be considered restoration? I was under the impression that cleaning is not considered restoration. Before and after pics attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) I don't think your friend should have even attempted to remove that from the front cover. Just stick to the white areas of the Back Cover. It shouldn't be considered restoration, as long as he only did a dry wipe, no chemicals. However, CGC does not like this and it will be taken into account when grading. On a personal level I absolutely hate the sight of something like this. It's obviously not original to the book. Why would you give him nice book like this to work on ? Edited October 14, 2017 by Bomber-Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorsack Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said: I don't think your friend should have even attempted to remove that from the front cover. Just stick to the white areas of the Back Cover. It shouldn't be considered restoration, as long as he only did a dry wipe, no chemicals. However, CGC does not like this and it will be taken into account when grading. On a personal level I absolutely hate the sight of something like this. It's obviously not original to the book. Why would you give him nice book like this to work on ? Well, this book is intended for my personal collection and the back needed some work. I guess I don't see the harm in removing the black lines from the white portion of the front (I had asked him to try). From an eye appeal perspective, I think value was added (to my eye at least) by cleaning the front. I will say, however, that when I saw the color loss I was a bit worried that the value of the book would be diminished if the dry clean was then considered to be restoration. Thanks for the response, its appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ned Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Was that done with an eraser or a chemical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorsack Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 20 minutes ago, ned said: Was that done with an eraser or a chemical? A soft white eraser, no chemicals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ned Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rorsack said: A soft white eraser, no chemicals. It looks good, an improvement in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 5 hours ago, ned said: It looks good, an improvement in my opinion. Really? CGC or any grading company will hammer the loss of ink to the front cover. That book would have graded higher with the dirt left on it. But...whatever floats your boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 8:26 PM, Rorsack said: I guess I don't see the harm in removing the black lines from the white portion of the front (I had asked him to try). From an eye appeal perspective, I think value was added (to my eye at least) by cleaning the front. It looks like he tried to remove some of the black lines from the yellow portion also and then stopped when the yellow starting rubbing off ? As far as eye appeal, when looking at this book, it's obvious what happened. The line is intermittent, broken off in the white areas, the yellow area was rubbed off, and as you said you can see loss of cover gloss. Sorry but I think it looks terrible and no value was added, probably lost value because it will now grade lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorsack Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 10 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said: It looks like he tried to remove some of the black lines from the yellow portion also and then stopped when the yellow starting rubbing off ? As far as eye appeal, when looking at this book, it's obvious what happened. The line is intermittent, broken off in the white areas, the yellow area was rubbed off, and as you said you can see loss of cover gloss. Sorry but I think it looks terrible and no value was added, probably lost value because it will now grade lower. I think this is a pretty fair assessment of what happened. I'm surprised to learn that the grade/value would actually be higher with the black line, so it seems a mistake was made. That's unfortunate, but this isn't really a gradable book, just an entry in my personal collection. I really appreciate the feedback, thx. I've posted it over here if anyone is curious what the rest looks like: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Pogs Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 I recently traded my copy of this book but it had the exact same marks. Until now I thought someone had marked it with a pencil. Anyone else see this before on other copies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newshane Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 It wouldn't be considered restoration. It would be considered damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 On 10/20/2017 at 11:49 PM, newshane said: It wouldn't be considered restoration. It would be considered damage. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 On 10/20/2017 at 8:49 PM, newshane said: It wouldn't be considered restoration. It would be considered damage. Yes, and it most certainly is. It looks pretty bad. This is why amateurs shouldn't be allowed to work on anyone else's books. This stuff can be removed without resulting color loss, but it is a VERY delicate, VERY time consuming, VERY delicate process. Sorry to see this happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot6 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 3 hours ago, joeypost said: Amen. What do you do to remove something like this? Also, can grease pencil be removed at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 On 10/15/2017 at 2:13 PM, joeypost said: Really? CGC or any grading company will hammer the loss of ink to the front cover. That book would have graded higher with the dirt left on it. But...whatever floats your boat. I don't own a boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot6 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, thehumantorch said: I don't own a boat How do you cross the tar sands to Tim's?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Patriot6 said: How do you cross the tar sands to Tim's?! Giant, floating donut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot6 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 minute ago, thehumantorch said: Giant, floating donut Very Fubar2 of you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faster friends Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 That defect is very common on this book. I have seen many copies like this. Cgc does not take off for this mark. I would have left it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 3 hours ago, faster friends said: That defect is very common on this book. I have seen many copies like this. Cgc does not take off for this mark. I would have left it alone. In defense of the OP, how is one supposed to know that a specific flaw is common to a book ? Most of us, unlike CGC, do not see multiple copies of a book on a daily basis. It's just another reason why I think CGC should NOT allow certain flaws to get a free pass. A flaw is a flaw no matter how it originated. While I would never have tried to remove it, I can see why it bothered the OP. RockMyAmadeus and newshane 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
