Incredible Hulk #181 - is it *that* red-hot? 17 17

[Lazyboy]

2 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

Agree 💯%!!!! Anyone auctioning a 9.4 or 9.6 on eBay is asking to get burned! Maybe even a 9.2

If they're intent on auctioning these grades (which still is a mistake at this point) it's better to do it on Heritage, C-link or C-connect.

There's always people willing to auction anything on eBay. Maybe people looking for a quick buck

Auctions are a true reflection of the market for a book. Fixed price sales just show what one person was willing to pay.

If you think auctions regularly finish "low" for an issue, you have a distorted view of FMV.

[ADAMANTIUM]

28 minutes ago, Lazyboy said:

Auctions are a true reflection of the market for a book. Fixed price sales just show what one person was willing to pay.

If you think auctions regularly finish "low" for an issue, you have a distorted view of FMV.

I would think less people have 10 grand reserved for an auction style book but idk

[ADAMANTIUM]

7 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

36 minutes ago, Lazyboy said:

Auctions are a true reflection of the market for a book. Fixed price sales just show what one person was willing to pay.

If you think auctions regularly finish "low" for an issue, you have a distorted view of FMV.

I would think less people have 10 grand reserved for an auction style book but idk

I take that back, because I don't often think about heritage clink etc where people often use auction format so maybe they're used to bidding 5 figures .

Lol I just know it's too riche for my blood, but exists nonetheless

[ADAMANTIUM]

3 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

Agree 💯%!!!! Anyone auctioning a 9.4 or 9.6 on eBay is asking to get burned! Maybe even a 9.2

If they're intent on auctioning these grades (which still is a mistake at this point) it's better to do it on Heritage, C-link or C-connect.

There's always people willing to auction anything on eBay. Maybe people looking for a quick buck

Even though fmv is in a different class at that amount, it might be only what someone has on hand. I agree that a buyer would get it cheaper and that sucks for the seller, but I'd assume with eBay when there are multiple copies that a bidder isn't going to continue bidding when they can just hit the next BIN.....

Run on sentence for the price of 

[MGsimba77]

2 hours ago, Lazyboy said:

Auctions are a true reflection of the market for a book. Fixed price sales just show what one person was willing to pay.

If you think auctions regularly finish "low" for an issue, you have a distorted view of FMV.

eBay auctions which last 3, 7 or 10 days are not always a true reflection of the market. Especially if the seller is not high profile member with plenty followers. eBay auctions can fluctuate wildly (for same item) depending on factors.

That's why I said it's better to do it on the other sites

Edited April 13, 2019 by MGsimba77

[MGsimba77]

On 4/12/2019 at 7:59 PM, MGsimba77 said:

eBay auctions which last 3, 7 or 10 days are not always a true reflection of the market. Especially if the seller is not high profile member with plenty followers. eBay auctions can fluctuate wildly (for same item) depending on factors.

That's why I said it's better to do it on the other sites

Just to underscore this point, in C-link's February auction which was ~ late February a 181 9.6 ow/w & a 9.2 ow/w auctioned for 14,250 and 9,957 respectively. 9.2 was a sharp looking copy, 9.6 less so.

You think these results happen on eBay with just a 7 - 10 day auction? Likely not! There was a 9.4 white on eBay sold for 11k few days ago but that was a high minimum bid auction with 1 bid so I'd probably consider that a defacto bin listing.

Just my  but I think this market is so incoherent at the moment because so many people insist on hastily auctioning their copies on eBay resulting in less than stellar results dragging down it's value. Great for buyers but really dumb for sellers! The results for the sellers tend to be better on the major auction houses

[ygogolak]

On 4/12/2019 at 7:59 PM, MGsimba77 said:

eBay auctions which last 3, 7 or 10 days are not always a true reflection of the market. Especially if the seller is not high profile member with plenty followers. eBay auctions can fluctuate wildly (for same item) depending on factors.

That's why I said it's better to do it on the other sites

An auction is also a reflection of those bidders available AT THAT TIME, not all potential buyers. A BIN has the availability to sell whenever is convenient for the buyer, not when the seller determines.

"But a bidder can just put in their highest price they want to pay." Sure, that's possible. It's also possible to get your price ran up by shill bidding. Also, some might just flat out not like putting in a price they they can't watch end.

[valiantman]

On 4/12/2019 at 6:06 PM, Lazyboy said:

Auctions are a true reflection of the market for a book. Fixed price sales just show what one person was willing to pay.

If you think auctions regularly finish "low" for an issue, you have a distorted view of FMV.

The other piece of information is unsold items at either auction or fixed-price which tell us what is "too high".  One person might pay $800 for something, an auction might end at $750 or $850, but an unsold item for $875 definitely tells us that $875 is above market. 

[ygogolak]

1 hour ago, valiantman said:

The other piece of information is unsold items at either auction or fixed-price which tell us what is "too high".  One person might pay $800 for something, an auction might end at $750 or $850, but an unsold item for $875 definitely tells us that $875 is above market. 

Or someone may pay $850 when there is a BIN for $800. That tells us people get caught up in an auction and don't search the market and overpay.

[Callaway29]

Everything tells us something, yet nothing tells us everything.

 

[sledgehammer]

23 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

 The results for the sellers tend to be better on the major auction houses

Now that comiclink is charging me sales tax, I've backed away from a couple of things.

The tax and fees can take a $6400 book to $7000.

I hope people keep auctioning on Ebay.

[MGsimba77]

eBay also charges sales tax in certain states. Paying sales tax on these sites depends on where you live. I have to pay sales tax on Heritage & Pedigree since they're located in FL.

Sure if you're a bidder eBay would be a better bet on high priced keys being auctioned 

Edited April 17, 2019 by MGsimba77

[ADAMANTIUM]

I have to pay state taxes at mycomicshop.com...

 

[lou_fine]

On 4/16/2019 at 12:16 PM, MGsimba77 said:

The results for the sellers tend to be better on the major auction houses

I think it really depends upon the book and most of all, whether you have luck on your side from getting the right set of eyeballs on your book. 

I would imagine that the more common and easy to find books will tend to do better on eBay since it draws a larger audience, while the more scarcer and HTF books will do better on the major auction sites which the vintage comic book collector tends to focus more of their attention.  

For example, if you take a look at Iron Man 55, it would appear that the results in the most recent CL and CC auctions were certainly nothing to write home about.  And this takes into account the fact that the Avengers 4 movie is due to open up in the next couple of weeks from now.  Of course, it could also be due to the possibility that this long standing move hyped book has cooled off over the years.  

[Jaydogrules]

Looks like another 9.6 on comiclink went for over $14k...

http://comiclink.com/itemdetail.asp?back=%2Fsearch.asp%3Fwhere%3Dsell%26title%3DIncredible%2Bhulk%2B181%26GO2%3DGO%26ItemType%3DCB&id=1302077

Still a bargain in that grade compared to 9.4/9.8. 

-J.

[ADAMANTIUM]

Noticed seemingly 6.5's getting a little boost on IH 181... just barely...

The big news is the last sale of 6.5's on GSXM #1....

I haven't really noticed a lot of movement on IH 181 180 nor 182...

Wish I paid for gpa.....but it's stayed the same at least....

[MGsimba77]

22 hours ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

Noticed seemingly 6.5's getting a little boost on IH 181... just barely...

The big news is the last sale of 6.5's on GSXM #1....

I haven't really noticed a lot of movement on IH 181 180 nor 182...

Wish I paid for gpa.....but it's stayed the same at least....

181 has been up & down on high grades recently...180 has been increasing steadily in HG while 182 has been increasing a little more rapidly in HG.

I don't know about mid grades for 180. I don't think too many people would even care for a mid grade 182

[PunisherPunisherPunisher]

I regret not getting 180 at 9.8 when I had the chance.....

Im getting 181 at 9.0 in two weeks 

[ADAMANTIUM]

24 minutes ago, MGsimba77 said:

181 has been up & down on high grades recently...180 has been increasing steadily in HG while 182 has been increasing a little more rapidly in HG.

I don't know about mid grades for 180. I don't think too many people would even care for a mid grade 182

 

181 I've seen the sales in high grade but wouldn't know current GPA to compare

I82 I paid crazy money for way back when, like around $250 a piece for a 7.5 SS Len wein, 9.0 blue, 6.5 SS owner in and herb Trimpe, double cover 6.5 inner and label with a 5.5 outer....

Waiting to see if it was worth the time and effort  as it was the cheaper book, figured I could afford "specials" ha 

Edited April 29, 2019 by ADAMANTIUM
Way back when

[MGsimba77]

21 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

 

181 I've seen the sales in high grade but wouldn't know current GPA to compare

I82 I paid crazy money for way back when, like around $250 a piece for a 7.5 SS Len wein, 9.0 blue, 6.5 SS owner in and herb Trimpe, double cover 6.5 inner and label with a 5.5 outer....

Waiting to see if it was worth the time and effort  as it was the cheaper book, figured I could afford "specials" ha 

All according to GPA...The 250 for the 7.5 Wein seems in line & probably increased in value today. Last GPA was 220 in June 2017.

The 9.0 has zig zagged up & down so much it's tough to pin point but it's been clearly trending up past 200 in past year.

Can't find double cover for 6.5 Trimpe but the regular SS Trimpe hadn't sold in years & its never been near 250 so I have no idea what your double cover stands today???