John E. Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, RS88 said: Hey guys, updated - seems like there’s some fury today as the buyer is feeling the heat of being outed. Pretty sad turn of events. So what name was he using on CAF? I assume it’s different than what’s on the package? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_not_so_nice Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jay Olie Espy said: Pretty sad turn of events. So what name was he using on CAF? I assume it’s different than what’s on the package? did the painting show up on CAF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS88 Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 It has not 9 minutes ago, mister_not_so_nice said: did the painting show up on CAF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS88 Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Jay Olie Espy said: Pretty sad turn of events. So what name was he using on CAF? I assume it’s different than what’s on the package? Luis Guizar on CAF Jose Luis Guizar on Mail Labels Luis Montana on Facebook Shepherd and mister_not_so_nice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_not_so_nice Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, RS88 said: Hey guys, updated - seems like there’s some fury today as the buyer is feeling the heat of being outed. This is great news! No collector is going to be able to get a piece like that and keep it to themselves. They HAVE to brag and show it off. And when he does/did all of his collecting circle will know how he obtained it and what a scumbag he is in his core. Where is this "heat" going down? in a FB group? I need to check this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS88 Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, mister_not_so_nice said: This is great news! No collector is going to be able to get a piece like that and keep it to themselves. They HAVE to brag and show it off. And when he does/did all of his collecting circle will know how he obtained it and what a scumbag he is in his core. Where is this "heat" going down? in a FB group? I need to check this out. Yessir! Most of the damage is happening on Annabel Kirby’s post But it may be taken down as Annabel is sadly and unfairly caught hosting the debate austinhg and mister_not_so_nice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malvin Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 this is his fb profile FB link He is actually saying Ryan is trying to scam him by sending him a print, and Ryan never had a scan of the real art This is where the discussion is going on Malvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 hours ago, RS88 said: Luis Guizar on CAF Jose Luis Guizar on Mail Labels Luis Montana on Facebook I don’t want to assume how he ethnically identifies himself (Mexican, Salvadoran, Guatemalan, etc) but it’s pretty standard in Latinx culture to drop the “Jose” from their name (or “Maria” for females) and go by their middle name. His friends likely know him only by Luis, while his family largely refers to him by Luis too. Dollars to donuts the “Montana” is a reference to Tony Montana (Pacino’s Scarface.) i finds myself scratching me chin hairs reading that he’s happy he didn’t fall for paying through “friends and family” and yet he spent $4250 sight unseen, based on an alleged “print.” If it truly was a print you posted and he’s going to drop $4250 to a seller across the border, you’d think he’d ask for a photo of the real deal 🤔 I kick the tires a lot for less than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS88 Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay Olie Espy said: I don’t want to assume how he ethnically identifies himself (Mexican, Salvadoran, Guatemalan, etc) but it’s pretty standard in Latinx culture to drop the “Jose” from their name (or “Maria” for females) and go by their middle name. His friends likely know him only by Luis, while his family largely refers to him by Luis too. Dollars to donuts the “Montana” is a reference to Tony Montana (Pacino’s Scarface.) i finds myself scratching me chin hairs reading that he’s happy he didn’t fall for paying through “friends and family” and yet he spent $4250 sight unseen, based on an alleged “print.” If it truly was a print you posted and he’s going to drop $4250 to a seller across the border, you’d think he’d ask for a photo of the real deal 🤔 I kick the tires a lot for less than that. Great assertation. I didn’t know this and the concept had me spun around quite a bit. I just don’t understand why there was absolutely no attempt to communicate an issue until it all exploded on social media. And yes, when big dollars are spent cautiously one would expect a few questions. Just so unfortunate.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_K Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 3 hours ago, RS88 said: one would expect a few questions You may also start asking more questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastaar Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Will_K said: You may also start asking more questions. Hope to god he doesn't destroy it as to not be tied to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malvin Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Will_K said: You may also start asking more questions. What does that mean? Malvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipB2k17 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 This whole thing is weird. Both sides are adamant that they were the ones who were scammed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, PhilipB2k17 said: This whole thing is weird. Both sides are adamant that they were the ones who were scammed. But only one side has something to benefit from the scam thehumantorch and Blastaar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipB2k17 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bird said: But only one side has something to benefit from the scam Not technically true. One person would probably accept the original purchase price back for the item that was sold. If it was a print, then they make a lot of money. On the other hand, if it was the OA, then the purchaser wants to keep the art for free. Like I said. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 But what seller would think that that’s going to actually work you’re going to get it returned and lose your money immediately the buyer on the other hand has stupid eBay and PayPal policy is on their side so the chance of success is great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I guess you could always send German newspaper if you’re a scammer especially for out of country sales what the probability of who is the scammer seems to me to be the buyer But you’re right anyone who’s going to cheat someone else for that amount of money wouldn’t let logic stop them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blastaar Posted February 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, PhilipB2k17 said: Not technically true. One person would probably accept the original purchase price back for the item that was sold. If it was a print, then they make a lot of money. On the other hand, if it was the OA, then the purchaser wants to keep the art for free. Like I said. Weird. Not seeing it....seller has everything to lose. Seller Established in the OA community Active CAF account History of owning the piece with transacting history Would hurt his OA collecting in the future He didn't initiate a return...if this was his master plan WAY too much would have to fall his way Has many backers concerning his character Asked the community for help Buyer Gave a fake name John E., zhamlau, SpeedforceKJ and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_K Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Will_K said: 9 hours ago, RS88 said: one would expect a few questions You may also start asking more questions. 1 hour ago, malvin said: 6 hours ago, Will_K said: You may also start asking more questions. What does that mean? Malvin What I meant was... @RS88 may be more skittish when people try to buy from him and HE will start asking more questions. Edited February 6, 2019 by Will_K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESeffinga Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) To me, it reads like a near-perfect international eBay/Paypal scam that has developed over the last 7 to 10 years. Or at least however long it's been since eBay stopped allowing feedback against buyers. It was the only deterrent, and that's when they shot sellers in the foot. Sure the seller could send a print to the buyer, but that's super easy to notice. We've seen that scam before too, though more often the seller is just uneducated and thought their print was an original for whatever reason, or they play dumb. But why pay the cost of shipping international in the hopes that a print will fool somebody? You'd have to do it a fair bit to make it at all profitable by finding the rare doofus that wouldn't know the difference. On the flip side, I've seen people order stuff on eBay, have the buyer file a claim and send back phone books, machine parts, all kinds of trash and whathave you. Just so they could point to eBay and Paypal and say they did send it back per the weight of what was shipped their way. Or they say the seller shipped it to them that way, and resent a picture of the stuff "after it was opened". When they pull the switcheroo and tell the services that the seller didn't send what was described, the services almost always side with the buyer. How do you prove you packed it, gave it to the PO exactly what you claim, without shooting video footage of the process from start to finish, with zero editing? And even then, if someone was determined, they could make a switcheroo even in such a video if they were slick. eBay and Paypal are cesspools now. But it's the way people expect to pay and do business. You shrink your buyer pool if you don't play ball. And if all the comic OA market bycotted or went away, I doubt it'd leave much of a blip on eBay's bottom line, compared to these scams as pulled on transactions for clothing, car parts, sporting good, etc and so on. The whole thing sucks. BTW, I do documenting videos when I unbox anything nowadays. I delete them as soon as I can verify it is what it's supposed to be. Edited February 6, 2019 by ESeffinga RS88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...