[FEB 12 UPDATE] !RETURNED! - Dell’Otto
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1 hour ago, Rick2you2 said:

Oops. Nevertheless, collecting the names of others who suffered similarly will increase the likelihood something will really be done.

its only the OP.

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19 hours ago, RS88 said:

That is correct Malvin, as soon as the Buyer showed proof of delivery on a return PayPal instantly refunded to the buyer and sucked the same amount out of my bank account....

If the PayPal account had been tied to a credit card rather than the OP's bank account, would he have another avenue of defense (opening a dispute with the cc company), or would it have mattered?

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3 minutes ago, RS88 said:

Hey guys, updated - seems like there’s some fury today as the buyer is feeling the heat of being outed.

Pretty sad turn of events. So what name was he using on CAF? I assume it’s different than what’s on the package?

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2 minutes ago, Jay Olie Espy said:

Pretty sad turn of events. So what name was he using on CAF? I assume it’s different than what’s on the package?

did the painting show up on CAF?

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It has not

9 minutes ago, mister_not_so_nice said:

did the painting show up on CAF?

 

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11 minutes ago, Jay Olie Espy said:

Pretty sad turn of events. So what name was he using on CAF? I assume it’s different than what’s on the package?

Luis Guizar on CAF

Jose Luis Guizar on Mail Labels

Luis Montana on Facebook

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19 minutes ago, RS88 said:

Hey guys, updated - seems like there’s some fury today as the buyer is feeling the heat of being outed.

This is great news!  

No collector is going to be able to get a piece like that and keep it to themselves. They HAVE to brag and show it off. And when he does/did all of his collecting circle will know how he obtained it and what a scumbag he is in his core.  

Where is this "heat" going down? in a FB group?  I need to check this out.

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10 minutes ago, mister_not_so_nice said:

This is great news!  

No collector is going to be able to get a piece like that and keep it to themselves. They HAVE to brag and show it off. And when he does/did all of his collecting circle will know how he obtained it and what a scumbag he is in his core.  

Where is this "heat" going down? in a FB group?  I need to check this out.

Yessir!

Most of the damage is happening on Annabel Kirby’s post 

 

But it may be taken down as Annabel is sadly and unfairly caught hosting the debate

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2 hours ago, RS88 said:

Luis Guizar on CAF

Jose Luis Guizar on Mail Labels

Luis Montana on Facebook

I don’t want to assume how he ethnically identifies himself (Mexican, Salvadoran, Guatemalan, etc) but it’s pretty standard in Latinx culture to drop the “Jose” from their name (or “Maria” for females) and go by their middle name. His friends likely know him only by Luis, while his family largely refers to him by Luis too. Dollars to donuts the “Montana” is a reference to Tony Montana (Pacino’s Scarface.)

i finds myself scratching me chin hairs reading that he’s happy he didn’t fall for paying through “friends and family” and yet he spent $4250 sight unseen, based on an alleged “print.” If it truly was a print you posted and he’s going to drop $4250 to a seller across the border, you’d think he’d ask for a photo of the real deal 🤔 I kick the tires a lot for less than that. 

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1 hour ago, Jay Olie Espy said:

I don’t want to assume how he ethnically identifies himself (Mexican, Salvadoran, Guatemalan, etc) but it’s pretty standard in Latinx culture to drop the “Jose” from their name (or “Maria” for females) and go by their middle name. His friends likely know him only by Luis, while his family largely refers to him by Luis too. Dollars to donuts the “Montana” is a reference to Tony Montana (Pacino’s Scarface.)

i finds myself scratching me chin hairs reading that he’s happy he didn’t fall for paying through “friends and family” and yet he spent $4250 sight unseen, based on an alleged “print.” If it truly was a print you posted and he’s going to drop $4250 to a seller across the border, you’d think he’d ask for a photo of the real deal 🤔 I kick the tires a lot for less than that. 

Great assertation.  I didn’t know this and the concept had me spun around quite a bit.

I just don’t understand why there was absolutely no attempt to communicate an issue until it all exploded on social media.

And yes, when big dollars are spent cautiously one would expect a few questions.

Just so unfortunate....

 

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3 hours ago, RS88 said:

one would expect a few questions

You may also start asking more questions.

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3 hours ago, Will_K said:

You may also start asking more questions.

Hope to god he doesn't destroy it as to not be tied to it. 

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4 hours ago, Will_K said:

You may also start asking more questions.

What does that mean? 

Malvin 

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This whole thing is weird. Both sides are adamant that they were the ones who were scammed. 

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23 minutes ago, PhilipB2k17 said:

This whole thing is weird. Both sides are adamant that they were the ones who were scammed. 

But only one side has something to benefit from the scam

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8 minutes ago, Bird said:

But only one side has something to benefit from the scam

Not technically true. One person would probably accept the original purchase price back for the item that was sold. If it was a print, then they make a lot of money. On the other hand, if it was the OA, then the purchaser wants to keep the art for free. 

Like I said. Weird. 

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But what seller would think that that’s going to actually work you’re going to get it returned and lose your money immediately the buyer on the other hand has stupid eBay and PayPal policy is on their side so the chance of success is great

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 I guess you could always send German newspaper if you’re a scammer especially for out of country sales what the probability of who is the scammer  seems to me to be the buyer  

But you’re right anyone who’s going to cheat someone else for that amount of money wouldn’t let logic stop them

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