PopKulture Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, catman76 said: Robert Crumb I love this pick, and I know very little about the man, but I would need to know he never saw anything by Basil Wolverton to put him on my mountain. 1950's war comics 1 Link to post Share on other sites
wisbyron Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, PopKulture said: I never "got" Crane the way I probably should. Harriman, too. I'd take Walt Kelly over Harriman as well, although Kat operated on a surreal plane, not just a swamp. I added Crane simply because so many influential artists like Kirby, Beck, Sinnott, Shuster, etc. have said his form of storytelling had such a huge impact on them. PopKulture 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Chazgee Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, kav said: Anyone wanna tackle the Mt Rushmore of underground artists? Crumb Does Corben count? Doug Allen Sandy Jimenez PopKulture 1 Link to post Share on other sites
PopKulture Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 Just now, Chazgee said: Crumb Does Corben count? Doug Allen Sandy Jimenez Wait, wouldn't Fat Freddy's Cat alone get Shelton up there?? I think Corben would count... Link to post Share on other sites
kav Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, PopKulture said: I love this pick, and I know very little about the man, but I would need to know he never saw anything by Basil Wolverton to put him on my mountain. Crumb's main influence was funny animal comics. When he was a kid his brother was the editor and assigned him to draw various comics. I would say Wolverton was no influence at all. His shading style seemed to originate organically. 1950's war comics, PopKulture and Readcomix 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
kav Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Just now, kav said: Crumb's main influence was funny animal comics. When he was a kid his brother was the editor and assigned him to draw various comics. I would say Wolverton was no influence at all. His shading style seemed to originate organically. And yes he lived nearby and I would seem him at art store I worked at. PopKulture, Chazgee and 1950's war comics 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Chazgee Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, PopKulture said: I love this pick, and I know very little about the man, but I would need to know he never saw anything by Basil Wolverton to put him on my mountain. There's a great doc about him from the mid 90's, if you can find it. PopKulture 1 Link to post Share on other sites
PopKulture Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, miraclemet said: Lots of good answers but i have the correct list, everyone else can stop (im kiddjng, its all somewhat subjective) 1. Jack Kirby 2. Osamu Tezuka, since you didnt specify American comics it makes since to include the godfather of manga. 3. Moebius. The greatest artist of Bande Dessinée, same logic of inclusion as Tezuka. 4. Carl Barks. Elevated the "funnies" of animal comics to levels never thought. But... but... but... since Mount Rushmore is in America that sort of implies American artists. You're taking advantage of a technicality!! p.s. Yeah, Barks is da man! kav 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Readcomix Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Chazgee said: There's a great doc about him from the mid 90's, if you can find it. I think I still have a VHS copy of it somewhere around here. I hope it’s now available in more current formats but I haven’t looked. Link to post Share on other sites
thunsicker Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Oh, and my 4 (for influence on medium) Eisner - Early on everyone copied him Kirby - Silver Age everyone copied him Adams - Bronze Age everyone copied him McFarlane - Early 90's everyone copied him My personal 4 Eisner Schomburg Steranko Sienkiewicz davidtere, KCOComics, mtlevy1 and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Readcomix Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, wisbyron said: I added Crane simply because so many influential artists like Kirby, Beck, Sinnott, Shuster, etc. have said his form of storytelling had such a huge impact on them. You jogged my memory...Sinnott went to Burne Hogarth’s school, and he talked about what an influence he was on many artists. Joe also said many of his peer artists in the 50’s and 60’s looked up to Lou Fine as their ideal of a master draftsman. wisbyron and PopKulture 2 Link to post Share on other sites
PopKulture Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, kav said: And yes he lived nearby and I would seem him at art store I worked at. Now that is the kind of interesting brush with fame that's going to make me consider you for my film if they ever task me with Ghost World 2! Please stand by... Edited December 10, 2020 by PopKulture Link to post Share on other sites
Chazgee Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, kav said: And yes he lived nearby and I would seem him at art store I worked at. Monstro, kav and PopKulture 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites
kav Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, thunsicker said: Eisner - Early on everyone copied him Kirby - Silver Age everyone copied him Adams - Bronze Age everyone copied him McFarlane - Early 90's everyone copied him Brilliant. Not a fan of eisner or Mc farlane but I cannot argue the logic here-we start construction immediately. PopKulture 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Muno42 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Impact on the craft? Eisner Kirby Kubert Adams Chazgee, wisbyron and PopKulture 3 Link to post Share on other sites
PopKulture Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, thunsicker said: Sienkiewicz When his odyssey was on display for all to see in that brilliant New Mutants run, I was simply blown away. Link to post Share on other sites
kav Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, kav said: And yes he lived nearby and I would seem him at art store I worked at. Also co worker was his neighbor and hung out there a lot as their daughters were playmates. Pretty sure he was featured in one of the weirdo strips-the neighbor that stopped by. Looked just like him. PopKulture and 1950's war comics 2 Link to post Share on other sites
PopKulture Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, kav said: Brilliant. Not a fan of eisner or Mc farlane but I cannot argue the logic here-we start construction immediately. I too was impressed by the simple elegance of the logic. kav 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Readcomix Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Just now, kav said: Also co worker was his neighbor and hung out there a lot as their daughters were playmates. Pretty sure he was featured in one of the weirdo strips-the neighbor that stopped by. Looked just like him. So your co-worker was the model for either Shuman the Human or Flakey Foont? Link to post Share on other sites
kav Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Readcomix said: So your co-worker was the model for either Shuman the Human or Flakey Foont? WEIRDO not ZAP!!! Link to post Share on other sites
