Ebay offensive material policy - Just the beginning of censorship, already happening? Whats the scoop? 3 3

[porcupine48]

2 hours ago, jcjames said:

Cardi B. Female rapper, and porn "star". Yes, this is what is celebrated in American culture today, while Dr. Seuss is censored and pulled from feebay listings, meanwhile "non-violent" cop-killer and "inoffensive" porn lyrics pull awards and sales all across America's decaying sprawling urban dystopia . 

 

I was just having this SAME discussion with my partner last night.I had to show her the w.a.p. video,song and she flipped.The Body Count tape I'd just dug up from high school days came up too,how it was 'banned' back then,but I dug it up coz it's selling for beaucoup bux...on ebay.

Here's another example I was a bit taken aback by when I saw it...as a twlve year old I listened to stuff like this-well,off content like Mentors and GG Allin-bit we had to be WAAAAAY secret about it

While it's a catchy song the artist is also in jail waiting to be tried on the shooting death of two of his friends,if you don't follow that stuff sorry,not trying to mansplain.

[jcjames]

6 minutes ago, Bird said:

What's Going On? was NOT radical?

of course it was

As I explained... was What's Going On a "constant stream of racial and sexual obscenities"?

Where's the "clean version" of What's Going On? 

Come back when you have the version of What's Going On that included explicit n-words, p-words etc.

 

[Bird]

25 minutes ago, jcjames said:

vast vast majority of popular music in the 60s 70s and even into 80's was not a constant stream of racial and sexual obscenities like the majority of popular music is today. 

and yet we had the PMRC in the 1980s, who considered music in the 80s to be full of obscene material that had to be controlled by the government

and the majority of popular music is pretty clean today, WAP not withstanding

[Bird]

3 minutes ago, jcjames said:

Where's the "clean version" of What's Going On? 

Come back when you have the version of What's Going On that included explicit n-words, p-words etc.

 

this is a false argument, I never said anything of the sort

you said they weren't radical and I said of course they were

but what you find inoffensive upset tons of adults in those decades

Edited March 5, 2021 by Bird

[the blob]

32 minutes ago, Jimmy Linguini said:

Ebay policies say if I relist that item I will be penalized.

can't you explain to them that this is an ANTI-nazi comic?

[Rip]

There were strong repercussions 35+ years ago. You could get arrested for producing and singing profane music.
There was some wildly profane stuff made in small nightclubs coming out as early as the late 20's and early 30's.

The MPAA was far more restrictive in the mid 80's on movies. Not here to judge, just here to point out the interesting history.

Society follows certain moral trends of the current zeitgeist.
Sometimes we have an overcorrect. Sometimes we have people that want to push back. It's understandable.

[Jimmy Linguini]

I don't understand this thread honestly.

There are numerous popular songs where the artists reference eating grocieres and these songs are played uncensored on the radio. Chris Brown is constantly referencing this.
What do you think that means?

[Bird]

Just now, Rip said:

There were strong repercussions 35+ years ago. You could get arrested for producing and singing profane music.
There was some wildly profane stuff made in small nightclubs coming out as early as the late 20's and early 30's.

The MPAA was far more restrictive in the mid 80's on movies. Not here to judge, just here to point out the interesting history.

Society follows certain moral trends of the current zeitgeist.
Sometimes we have an overcorrect. Sometimes we have people that want to push back. It's understandable.

and Motown put the gospel sound in popular music, which was radical at the time and considered offensive

Okay, I'll let this lie now 

[Ride the Tiger]

Where's the good old holsome stuff like the homecoming queen got a gun?

[Jimmy Linguini]

1 minute ago, the blob said:

can't you explain to them that this is an ANTI-nazi comic?

When I spoke to them in December on the phone they kept referencing the policy that says anything that has a swastika produced after 1933 is banned from their marketplace.

 

[Bird]

Just now, Jimmy Linguini said:

I don't understand this thread honestly.

There are numerous popular songs where the artists reference eating grocieres and these songs are played uncensored on the radio. Chris Brown is constantly referencing this.
What do you think that means?

the same thing the beach boys (wouldn't it be nice?) and carole king were singing about

 

[snitzer]

4 minutes ago, Bird said:

and yet we had the PMRC in the 1980s, who considered music in the 80s to be full of obscene material that had to be controlled by the government

and the majority of popular music is pretty clean today, WAP not withstanding

Tipper Gore. Go figure 

[the blob]

Ruth Brown:

If I Can’t Sell It, I’ll Keep Sittin’ on It

I own a secondhand furniture store
And I think my prices are fair
That is until this real cheap guy I know came in one day
Saw this chair he wanted to buy, but he wouldn't, claimed the price was too high
So I looked 'im straight in the eye, and this was my reply...
If I can't sell it, I'm gonna sit down on it
Why should I give it away?
Now darling if you want it
You got to buy it
And I mean just what I say
Now how would you like to find this
Waitin at home for you every night
Only been used once or twice
And it's still nice and TIGHT!
Whoa...
But if I can't sell it
I'm gonna keep sittin on it
I don't see the need
To give it away
Now you can't find a better pair of legs in town
And a back like this, huh, not for miles around
And that is why if I can't sell it
I'm going to recline upon it
Why should I give it away?
Because it's made for comfort
Built for wear and tear
Where else could you find
Such an easy chair!
Haa... Whoa...
If I can't sell it
I'm gonna remain seated on it
I ain't about to give it away
Because it's lush, plush, slick and sleak
Darling, a high class piece like this
At any price
Is cheap!
So if I can't sell it
I'm a remain seated on it
I don't see the need to give it away
Now look at this nice bottom
Ain't it easy on the eye
Guaranteed to support any weight or size!
If I can't sell it, I'm gonna sit down on it
I ain't about to give it away
Now, I have really had my fill
Of folks always comin around
With their hands stuck out
Want something
Don't want to give up nothing
Now if you want this
Put your hand in your stash
And give me some cash
If you want something for free
Go to the Salvation Army
Don't come to me
Now this is not Saint Vincent de Paul's place
This is Ruth's place
Read my lips
NO FREE TRIPS!

[thunsicker]

1 hour ago, the blob said:

"What kids are filling their heads with today is pure toxic soul-killing poison."

I was a teen listening to Guns & Roses and Metallica. G&R had an awful lot of drug glorification and misogynism. Metallica's earlier stuff had an awful lot of murder and mayhem in it. 

I don't know how you can't tell the difference between new music like Cardi-B and Body Count and older music like Guns & Roses and Metallica.  The difference is as clear as black and white.

[the blob]

4 minutes ago, thunsicker said:

I don't know how you can't tell the difference between new music like Cardi-B and Body Count and older music like Guns & Roses and Metallica.  The difference is as clear as black and white.

hah hah. to be fair, i'm responding to someone who implies that kids need to be listening to more motown, which I'm not gonna disagree with, so I dunno about colors and such.

Edited March 5, 2021 by the blob

[jcjames]

12 minutes ago, Bird said:

Not "obscenities" but Carole King and others were talking about sex and had to disguise the lyrics to conceal the meaning...so you may not consider it obscene it was definitely on the edge and upsetting to the older generation

Of course! The vast majority was not on the edge, that's why it's an "edge".

But on the edge is not in the bowl. 

MOST love songs then had some subtle innuendo and hints, some more than others, none went into the bowl.

Today it's reversed, the mainstream is all in the bowl, and the few "moderate innuendos" are on the fringe. 

Back then artists showed class and subtlety, now they just literally show their and string obscene lyrics together and call it a song

 

[Bird]

Just now, the blob said:

Ruth Brown:

If I Can’t Sell It, I’ll Keep Sittin’ on It

I own a secondhand furniture store
And I think my prices are fair
That is until this real cheap guy I know came in one day
Saw this chair he wanted to buy, but he wouldn't, claimed the price was too high
So I looked 'im straight in the eye, and this was my reply...
If I can't sell it, I'm gonna sit down on it
Why should I give it away?
Now darling if you want it
You got to buy it
And I mean just what I say
Now how would you like to find this
Waitin at home for you every night
Only been used once or twice
And it's still nice and TIGHT!
Whoa...
But if I can't sell it
I'm gonna keep sittin on it
I don't see the need
To give it away
Now you can't find a better pair of legs in town
And a back like this, huh, not for miles around
And that is why if I can't sell it
I'm going to recline upon it
Why should I give it away?
Because it's made for comfort
Built for wear and tear
Where else could you find
Such an easy chair!
Haa... Whoa...
If I can't sell it
I'm gonna remain seated on it
I ain't about to give it away
Because it's lush, plush, slick and sleak
Darling, a high class piece like this
At any price
Is cheap!
So if I can't sell it
I'm a remain seated on it
I don't see the need to give it away
Now look at this nice bottom
Ain't it easy on the eye
Guaranteed to support any weight or size!
If I can't sell it, I'm gonna sit down on it
I ain't about to give it away
Now, I have really had my fill
Of folks always comin around
With their hands stuck out
Want something
Don't want to give up nothing
Now if you want this
Put your hand in your stash
And give me some cash
If you want something for free
Go to the Salvation Army
Don't come to me
Now this is not Saint Vincent de Paul's place
This is Ruth's place
Read my lips
NO FREE TRIPS!

Joni Mitchell has a good one like this

"I'm a pretty good cook, I'm sitting on my groceries...come up top my kitchen and I'll show you my best recipes"

Or the old blues (was it Ruth brown as well?)..."I got the blues in my mailbox, cause I ain't got no mail"  but it is really male, not mail

[Ryan.]

2 minutes ago, thunsicker said:

I don't know how you can't tell the difference between new music like Cardi-B and Body Count and older music like Guns & Roses and Metallica.  The difference is as clear as black and white.

[jcjames]

11 minutes ago, Bird said:

this is a false argument, I never said anything of the sort

you said they weren't radical and I said of course they were

but what you find inoffensive upset tons of adults in those decades

I explained what was "radical" and you selectively cropped that description and context out, and assumed a different meaning than my original context provided. 

[Bird]

Body Count is just bad...I like Ice-T the rapper but he cannot sing and the Body Count songs are horrible. Good idea though

I'll stick with New Jack, cause I'm a hustler. [yeah, that is late (lame?) Ice-T, I know]