Fantastic Four Collecting Thread!
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2 hours ago, greggy said:

I may not have access to high grade copies of 1965 books of late but it still doesn't mean that I still can't identify them when I see them in its raw state.  Just because I concentrate on newer stuff now due to availability and cost doesn't mean that my ability to spot the books has diminished. 

Yeah but if you saw a collection of 8.0 you would probably snatch that up!  I should be happy with my 2 9.0. Best I’ve done is a 9.2 on number 29. Overall best is Star Wars 1 at 9.6. It’s actually a miracle any of these books survived. My brother hated baggage but now they bring me pleasure and I like owning some of his things. I’m not dissing on you greggy. I just find it interesting the difference between 60s books and 70s books. Have a great day

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7 hours ago, namisgr said:

Agreed that the days of collecting high grade early Silver Age comics in their raw state have been long gone since the early days of CGC.  The original owner high grade collections of early Silver are now very scarce (when was the last time a great SA pedigree was found), and when dealers find them they have the best books slabbed for selling.  Don't even get me started on how impossible it is to find high grade Silver that's unpressed these days.

I think they are out there, just locked up. My collection is 95%+ unpressed. If I sell, ya it would be insane not to press some of them, but if I get hit by a bus before that point, they would hit the market. There's got to be many people with collections like mine.

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17 hours ago, namisgr said:

Agreed that the days of collecting high grade early Silver Age comics in their raw state have been long gone since the early days of CGC.  The original owner high grade collections of early Silver are now very scarce (when was the last time a great SA pedigree was found), and when dealers find them they have the best books slabbed for selling.  Don't even get me started on how impossible it is to find high grade Silver that's unpressed these days.

 

Hmmmmm......I'm going to disagree with this.  I regularly attend several local cons and slabbed SA books are the exception rather than the rule.  And this included rows and rows of beautiful unslabbed early keys, in some of the best grades I've ever seen.

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1 hour ago, namisgr said:

 

I'm sure everyone would like to know what local cons to attend in which rows and rows of pristine early Silver Age comics are being sold raw and unrestored.  I know I would.  :wink:

 

 

 

 

Sure thing......there's a local con in Annandale, VA in two weeks.  Specifically, an older gentleman named Gene (who gets mentioned here a lot) has a display in the back left of the hall.  But he isn't the only one.  Would also check out Moving Pictures' display.  Rob always gives me great deals.  Again, most of what these guys sell is unslabbed.

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1 hour ago, RonS2112 said:

Sure thing......there's a local con in Annandale, VA in two weeks.  Specifically, an older gentleman named Gene (who gets mentioned here a lot) has a display in the back left of the hall.  But he isn't the only one.  Would also check out Moving Pictures' display.  Rob always gives me great deals.  Again, most of what these guys sell is unslabbed.

(thumbsu  Gene Carpenter has been coming to the monthly Philadelphia comic shows for upwards of 15 years.  He has terrific stock, but in all the time I was a regular at that show or at the Baltimore con I don't ever recall seeing him stocked with row after row of early near mint Silver Age comics from either Marvel or DC, or unslabbed major keys in high grade - his stuff from those publishers is typically just a wee bit lower in grade. He did carry a bunch of Dell file copies, and was a great source of them in near mint condition, along with the occasional cool early SA superhero book in really nice (but not near mint) shape.

For instance, I bought this unslabbed and accurately graded beauty from Gene:

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But it's not quite like this:

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Well, judge for yourself -- here are a couple photos of the typical display he sets up at Annanndale.  Certainly more and in much better quality than I could hope to own.

 

 

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Like I said, Gene is a topnotch dealer and he has terrific inventory.  But what he doesn't have is row after row of near mint unslabbed early Silver Age Marvels, Atlas, or DCs.  That was what was being lamented in the thread as being almost impossible to find these days.

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22 minutes ago, namisgr said:

Like I said, Gene is a topnotch dealer and he has terrific inventory.  But what he doesn't have is row after row of near mint unslabbed early Silver Age Marvels, Atlas, or DCs.  That was what was being lamented in the thread as being almost impossible to find these days.

What you said was "high grade, unpressed silver".  That's what's in those pictures, and he's but one of at least three dealers with that kind of inventory at my local con.

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When you wrote " And this included rows and rows of beautiful unslabbed early keys, in some of the best grades I've ever seen", I assumed you were speaking of early keys in VF/NM and better condition.  

It sounds to me like we're in agreement, then, that near mint level unslabbed early silver is virtually impossible to find, but beautiful non-key raw books of slightly lesser grade like the cgc 8.5 I posted may still be obtainable.  And when was the last time you found an unrestored major SA key in VF/NM or better condition that wasn't slabbed?  

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25 minutes ago, namisgr said:

When you wrote " And this included rows and rows of beautiful unslabbed early keys, in some of the best grades I've ever seen", I assumed you were speaking of early keys in VF/NM and better condition.  

It sounds to me like we're in agreement, then, that near mint level unslabbed early silver is virtually impossible to find, but beautiful non-key raw books of slightly lesser grade like the cgc 8.5 I posted may still be obtainable.  And when was the last time you found an unrestored major SA key in VF/NM or better condition that wasn't slabbed?  

Yeesh.  You’re impossible.  Per my earlier post, last time was at my local con — two weeks ago.  Next time will be two weeks from now.

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12 minutes ago, RonS2112 said:

Yeesh.  You’re impossible.  Per my earlier post, last time was at my local con — two weeks ago.  Next time will be two weeks from now.

Take some photos and post them, please.  We'd all enjoy seeing raw early SA keys in VF/NM or better grade.

 

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46 minutes ago, namisgr said:

Take some photos and post them, please.  We'd all enjoy seeing raw early SA keys in VF/NM or better grade.

 

So again, you originally said "high quality" and are now moving the goalposts.  But sure....insofar as Gene normally displays Atlas and early Marvels that look like they fell off the rack yesterday, I'll have a few photos after the next con.

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44 minutes ago, RonS2112 said:

So again, you originally said "high quality" 

High grade, never used the word 'quality'.  Gene has had plenty of nice early SA comics in his inventory over the years that he's brought to Philly and Baltimore, like the Northland pedigree copy of TOS50 i posted earlier, but never unslabbed near mint early silver age Marvels or DCs or high grade unrestored silver age keys.  I'd enjoy seeing photos of them if he's got them now.

Relating this discussion to the thread topic, here's another near mint early SA book I was able to buy unslabbed, but it was years before CGC opened their doors.

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