Need advice on a sale that is going sideways 7 7

[ChiSoxFan]

For the record, the books are a collection of ASM's in the #100-#150 range.  A really nice #100, #122, and #149 (no #121 or #129 guys).  A lot of the books are really sharp.  Jordysnordy will chime in more -- he's typing up a reply, I believe, as we speak. 

[Iceman399]

3 minutes ago, ChiSoxFan said:

For the record, the books are a collection of ASM's in the #100-#150 range.  A really nice #100, #122, and #149 (no #121 or #129 guys).  A lot of the books are really sharp.  Jordysnordy will chime in more -- he's typing up a reply, I believe, as we speak. 

Is that why he isn't answering my texts  

[Jordysnordy]

Thanks for all the love and support - the boards are a great place and I’m very lucky to have made so many friendships over the years 

Even though I have only met about a dozen boardies, messaging really can create cherished friendships, especially during this mess.

Brief recap just in case anyone doesn’t have all the facts

This whole ordeal started when I replied to a want ad that was looking for ASMs up to issue 150 in 6.0 or better (raw).

I PMed the poster as he was buying them for a “friend”. I told him that I have 38 issues from 100 to 150. I pulled them all out and graded them. I even sent him about 6 scans - he did not ask for any - so that he could see what he was getting and to see that’s I’m a good grader. He saw the scans and I assume he sent them to his friend also. A few of the books were under 6.0 but I said I will toss them in so he can have a few more books. After some back and forth we agreed on $675.00 shipped. I would ship the books to him and he would pay for them and then work it out for his buddy. I sent the books to him because his buddy has a wife who wouldn’t be cool with this. Since at least one of them saw the scans, I assumed there wouldn’t be an issue later on and some of the blame lies on me since I never mentioned returns and he never asked about it either - but big lesson learned by me. Books get delivered on Saturday and I received a PM saying we have a problem - his buddy won’t take the books, his wife found out and threw a fit. I tell him to try and work it out with his buddy and he agrees as I said I don’t want to take the books back. He acknowledges that it’s his responsibility and that he will see if he can work it out. He couldn’t get it worked out and he needed the refund for his rent and then offered to keep the books if I took another $100.00 off the sale price and that he would hold a sales thread or put them on eBay.  Needless to say it didn’t work out so we tried to work out what to do with the books. At this point, Randall PMed me an offered to take the books to a local con in June and try and sell them for me. I thought it was an extremely generous offer and accepted. I told Randall that I would split the proceeds with him 50/50 and I told this to the boardie - that I would rather lose money on this deal than give him another $100.00 off. I asked him to send the books to Randall. Him sending the books to Randall would be much cheaper than him returning them to me in Canada so I thought I was being nice to help and try and save him more money since he was in a tight spot money wise. He then got nervous that if he sent them to Randall that I would stiff him on the refund and wanted to return them to me or he would file a PayPal claim. At this point I went to look at his Kudos thread and looked to see who he had dealt with. Lucky enough he had dealt twice with Crassus - Robert - so I contacted Robert to see if he would PM the boardie to tell him that I’m legit. Robert and I live in the same city and we have gotten together a few times and I figured he will vouch for me. The boardie agreed and Robert convinced him that I wasn’t a risk  and that I would refund him when Randall safety received the books. Next issue was shipping costs and this was a big hurdle. I felt because this is clearly a case of buyer’s remorse that it would fair if the boardie and his buddy would cover my shipping costs to him and the costs to Randall. Turned out we couldn’t agree - or had a signals crossed as we both thought we had reached a deal on shipping. He refused to cover my shipping costs to him - technically he doesn’t have to because normally the buyer just pays return shipping but I felt that I had gone above and beyond to try and be reasonable with this. He said again he would file a PayPal claim. My shipping cost to him was about $45.00 and his cost to Randall was about $33.00 so we have a $12.00 difference and that is all is willing to “pay” for my shipping costs to him, so he expects a refund of 665.00 out of the original $675.00. In the meantime he said his buddy is going to pay him $20.00 for HIS headache. I still haven’t decided yet how much to refund him regarding the shipping costs. Many have PMed me that they would buy the books but I came up with a better solution - well not better for me financially  - but something that will help someone in need. Randall will hold a sales thread with the 38 books in the near future and 50% of the proceeds will go to Brittany to help her with her costly rehab. Randall and I will split the remaining 50%. Yes I will end up taking a bath but as I told the boardie it’s not about the money at this point, it’s about doing the right thing. Money is great but my principles and board reputation mean more to me. He could have been a good guy and manned up and said yes it’s on me since I started the want thread but unfortunately  that didn’t happen. Maybe I was unrealistic to ask for both shipping costs but it’s better than him not getting refunded the remaining $600.00 if he had to keep the books. Robert has read all of my messages with the boardie so if I messed anything up hopefully he will step in. I’m not sure if this is solid enough for a PL nomination but I will think about it and probably post in the PL discussion thread to see if I’m on solid or shaky ground with this. I will also PM Jaymole1 (Jaymole - he account hasn’t been merged) to see once again if he do the right thing. I’m not hopeful.

[Jordysnordy]

40 minutes ago, thehumantorch said:

This is like the search for Al Capone's vault....

Nah it’s even better as there are actual books in the box

[Red84]

I don’t know who Jaymole is. 

[shadroch]

I understand this is a very convoluted tale involving outsiders but, in the end, isn't the general policy here  one that allows returns and refunds if buyer isn't happy. 

[Cat]

Well, we know what kind of person he is. Or isn't. 

[wombat]

2 minutes ago, shadroch said:

I understand this is a very convoluted tale involving outsiders but, in the end, isn't the general policy here  one that allows returns and refunds if buyer isn't happy. 

No. 

[wombat]

I know you won't do it because you are a nice guy, but I would withhold shipping charges both ways and paypal fees. 

[Jordysnordy]

1 minute ago, wombat said:

I know you won't do it because you are a nice guy, but I would withhold shipping charges both ways and paypal fees. 

Thanks. I feel like doing that and let him claim away with PayPal and see how the chips fall.

[Red84]

Personal list updated. 

Edited May 8, 2018 by Red84

[Ryan.]

7 minutes ago, Red84 said:

I don’t know who Jaymole is. 

That is literally the first time I have seen that name.

[paperheart]

ugh, i assumed this would have happened with a boardie i'd never heard of

[Red84]

5 minutes ago, Jordysnordy said:

Thanks. I feel like doing that and let him claim away with PayPal and see how the chips fall.

You should refund the amount agreed to, even if he owes you more. 

[lizards2]

11 minutes ago, paperheart said:

ugh, i assumed this would have happened with a boardie i'd never heard of

I've made quite a few purchases from jaymole, and had some extensive pm conversations about the boards, life, finances and stuff. 

[ChiSoxFan]

I recognized the board name when I found out the details.  I don't know if I ever did business with him before, but I've done so many deals here over the years, I'd be stunned if I hadn't.

It can take forever to build up a good reputation, and only an instant to destroy it.  It's certainly happened on these boards before.  

[comicquant]

11 minutes ago, Jordysnordy said:

Thanks. I feel like doing that and let him claim away with PayPal and see how the chips fall.

I think you should this as well.  You went above and beyond to meet his ridiculous demands.  He’s wasted enough time and money of multiple people.  I think spending some time playing the PayPal puzzle would do him some good.  Glad it’s over Jeff!  Hopefully the books find a worthy buyer the second time through!

[ChiSoxFan]

38 minutes ago, Jordysnordy said:

He then got nervous that if he sent them to Randall that I would stiff him on the refund and wanted to return them to me or he would file a PayPal claim. 

I understand someone wanting to protect themselves, but considering that it was him who was backing out of the deal, his thinking that you -- who have by all accounts a sterling reputation here -- would stiff him on the refund, essentially making you a thief?  Or that, in my being a party to it, I would be essentially committing theft/fraud as well?  My reputation here speaks for itself, and the thought that he believed I also would end up being a party to doing something unethical like that, frankly, makes my own blood boil more than a little. 

[comicquant]

14 minutes ago, lizards2 said:

I've made quite a few purchases from jaymole, and had some extensive pm conversations about the boards, life, finances and stuff. 

The Voldy of character recommendations 

[SteppinRazor]

42 minutes ago, Jordysnordy said:

Thanks. I feel like doing that and let him claim away with PayPal and see how the chips fall.

You paid for international shipping, and he refused to ship you back the books, instead shipping them domestically.  He has no right to that money back.