madcircle Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) Hello, Thank you for reading this, I am new to these boards. Just curious my options when I resubmitted a CGC 9.0 Blue Label ASM 129 to be pressed and graded, and it came back Restored (PLOD) 8.5. Obviously its a worse case scenario in terms of the books value. Comparing it to other copies I cannot see it (Bottom Cover Trimmed, per label), nor can my LCS Dealer. Also, the 9.0 version had Off-White to White Pages, the 8.5 came back with White Pages. I get that there can be minor inconsistency. I am waiting to hear back from the grader, but a little bummed, and wanted to hear some opinions on what choices I may have. Thank you, MAD! Edited June 26, 2018 by madcircle added photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicquant Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 I've seen many books deemed as trimmed that didn't seem trimmed but in some cases I think its the most difficult defect to detect from a grading perspective. Do you have any pics of the book? Just curious as to what it looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcircle Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 Up now. Apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faster friends Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) Very sorry that happened to you Edited June 26, 2018 by faster friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 I'm sorry this happened to you, my fellow comic enthusiast. Unfortunately, it's very unlikely this decision will be reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 If you have pictures of the book inside the original unrestored case, I would recommend writing an e-mail to customer service at CGC and explaining the situation to them, showing the before and after pictures, and ask if there's anything that can be done to look at the book again. It should go without saying that the alleged trimming was NOT done in between, but, however unlikely, it's still a possibility with which CGC must contend. Have very low expectations, but give it a shot. Also, ask them what, if anything, they might be able to do to compensate you for the difference between the two. Who did the pressing work? If it was CCS, did you send the book to them in the 9.0 slab? If so, that will help your case substantially. The longer the paper trail you can generate, the better. Trimming can be very, very difficult to detect. It can also be easy to detect, but that's not the case here. Generally, and I know it's a hassle, but everything submitted to CGC should ideally be scanned. That protects you AND CGC. Badger, JollyComics and mosconi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman399 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1. Is it the same book? Not saying someone has done something not on par but it's happened as books may have shifted around in queue 2. Who pressed the book? Who cracked it out of the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red84 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said: If you have pictures of the book inside the original unrestored case, I would recommend writing an e-mail to customer service at CGC and explaining the situation to them, showing the before and after pictures, and ask if there's anything that can be done to look at the book again. It should go without saying that the alleged trimming was NOT done in between, but, however unlikely, it's still a possibility with which CGC must contend. Have very low expectations, but give it a shot. Also, ask them what, if anything, they might be able to do to compensate you for the difference between the two. Who did the pressing work? If it was CCS, did you send the book to them in the 9.0 slab? If so, that will help your case substantially. The longer the paper trail you can generate, the better. Trimming can be very, very difficult to detect. It can also be easy to detect, but that's not the case here. Generally, and I know it's a hassle, but everything submitted to CGC should ideally be scanned. That protects you AND CGC. The fact that he still has the 9.0 label says to me that he did not submit the book to CCS or any other presser while still encapsulated. That break in the chain of custody does not help in getting any sort of compensation. Tbone911t and Tony S 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoggyNelson Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 That is bad luck??? ComicConnoisseur and Lucky Baru 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunisherPunisherPunisher Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Ouch that would hurt, not a great feeling when this happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcircle Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 31 minutes ago, Red84 said: The fact that he still has the 9.0 label says to me that he did not submit the book to CCS or any other presser while still encapsulated. That break in the chain of custody does not help in getting any sort of compensation. Ok, My local Comic shop and I cracked the case. (I'm not sure if CGC offers that service...) The book was meticulously removed as I was right there and impressed with how secure those cases are. We had ZERO mistakes. The book was sent to CCS for pressing. I'm pretty sure I don't have any scans or photos of the book in its 9.0 state, may look into contacting the seller but it was several years ago. I have a name of someone in CGC that I was told could maybe help me, but not response as of yet. Not feeling great about this, ut I thank you guys for your opinions and advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Very sad to hear about this and it does happen. I have a book that graded unrestored (not CGC) but came back with a purple label and a notation that the cover had been reinforced. Broke my heart. I wish you the best of luck in getting some kind of compensation for this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Red84 said: The fact that he still has the 9.0 label says to me that he did not submit the book to CCS or any other presser while still encapsulated. That break in the chain of custody does not help in getting any sort of compensation. I have same thought too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperGrover Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 That stinks, what do you think the odds are of a different outcome if he just resubmitted it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcircle Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, SuperGrover said: That stinks, what do you think the odds are of a different outcome if he just resubmitted it? So my query here was initially because a Blue Label grade I would keep for my collection, and was hoping with a press to get a small bump in grade. Now, I don't necessarily want this book. I am considering resubmitting later this year, as I have heard about graders being very tough this summer at CGC. But it is what it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red84 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, madcircle said: So my query here was initially because a Blue Label grade I would keep for my collection, and was hoping with a press to get a small bump in grade. Now, I don't necessarily want this book. I am considering resubmitting later this year, as I have heard about graders being very tough this summer at CGC. But it is what it is... What happened is not related to the graders being tough; this is the result of the restoration check. Trimming is the most difficult form of restoration to catch so it's possible it was missed beforehand. With no image of the book encapsulated with the 8.5 blue label you will likely have severe difficulty proving to CGC that restoration did not occur prior to you submitting. Sorry to say, but you are probably out of luck. Next time you ever want to resubmit a book always send it still encapsulated to CGC and/or CCS. mosconi and Bomber-Bob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 5 hours ago, Red84 said: The fact that he still has the 9.0 label says to me that he did not submit the book to CCS or any other presser while still encapsulated. That break in the chain of custody does not help in getting any sort of compensation. You're right. CCS would have submitted the old label to be removed from the census.Forgot about that. Not necessarily by another presser, though. But that's a good point, thanks for the correction. Red84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 At this point, you might as well just resubmit. 50-50 it comes back blue. Tony S and conan09279 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Maybe they just missed the trimming the first time. Tony S and B2D327 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, oakman29 said: Maybe they just missed the trimming the first time. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
