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Are Newton Rings 'normal and acceptable'?
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Started by Get Marwood & I,

Are Newton Rings 'normal and acceptable' ?  

293 members have voted

  1. 1. Are Newton Rings 'normal and acceptable'?

    • Yes
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    • No
      250
    • Other (feel free to post any alternative views accordingly)
      14

  2. 2. Should CGC withdraw from service any holders which create / are prone to create Newton Rings?

    • Yes
      253
    • No
      33
    • Other (feel free to post any alternative views accordingly)
      8

  3. 3. Are you satisfied with CGC's response to date to this issue?

    • Yes
      30
    • No
      229
    • Other (feel free to post any alternative views accordingly)
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Mr.Mcknowitall

Mr.Mcknowitall

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17 minutes ago, DavidTheDavid said:

In fairness, old cases sometimes exhibited these, just not to the extent of the newest ones.

It is not a matter of fairness. It is a matter of contamination, and known gassing, and known Copolymer extrusion grade thermoformed material, that can also exhibit the problem with heat application, sonic or not, and all the other aspects I have previously mentioned. The sealed product could also have developed a minute separation that allowed a contamination. Who knows. But, "normal" it is not. My opinion, of course. For an entity to then describe the problem as "normal" and not address the lack of customer confidence, is normal, these days in business, though.

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Mr.Mcknowitall

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6 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

because the books are not affected.

I would dispute that. the underlying contamination is not known, nor is the effect upon the enclosed product, without examination.

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lonetree

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6 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

However, I don't think CGC is working on a 'resolution'. They think everything is fine, which technically it is because the books are not affected.

Sadly, if that is true, then I will have to try Option B.  I would rather wait longer than have newton rings.  :(

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Get Marwood & I

Get Marwood & I

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3 minutes ago, Mr.Mcknowitall said:

known Copolymer extrusion grade thermoformed material

Try saying that after ten pints. 

 

Spoiler

 

'that.....'

Yep, I'm sober all right :)

 

 

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I like pie

I like pie

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17 minutes ago, lonetree said:

This year, I had a goal to submit 50 books a month.  The newton rings are fairly prevalent on all books.   August is the first month I have not submitted books.  I have more than 100 set aside for submission, but keep waiting on a resolution to the newton rings.  I looked at the competition and thought I would give them a try.  Looking at their forums, people are still waiting for their books back from March/April submissions.  So my options are A) submit and accept the newton rings, B) submit to the competitor and wait 6+ months for them to return, C) dont get them graded.  At this point, I am going to just keep them and wait for a resolution.

I am holding back a lot as well. I sub a few here and there for flipping but the ones I'm keeping in my PC, I'm holding.

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Black_Adam

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13 minutes ago, lonetree said:

This year, I had a goal to submit 50 books a month.  The newton rings are fairly prevalent on all books.   August is the first month I have not submitted books.  I have more than 100 set aside for submission, but keep waiting on a resolution to the newton rings.  I looked at the competition and thought I would give them a try.  Looking at their forums, people are still waiting for their books back from March/April submissions.  So my options are A) submit and accept the newton rings, B) submit to the competitor and wait 6+ months for them to return, C) dont get them graded.  At this point, I am going to just keep them and wait for a resolution.

I was also making a concentrated effort to get more comics in my personal collection slabbed as I'd really grown to like the look of the new slabs with the new CGC labels. But with the newton ring issue and complete lack of customer support from CGC I've resolved to stick to shiny crystal-clear mylars. Now I can spend all the money I've saved on more comics! :acclaim:

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The Milkman

The Milkman

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I'm just happy to see this lengthy thread, here, on the boards.  I've been complaining about newton rings for the last year and half.  It's amazing to me how many people aren't bothered by the rings. I just want to pay for a quality service where the finished product comes back looking as advertised. (ie, "crystal clear.")  It's like someone said earlier - you wouldn't send a photograph or a piece of art to a picture-framer, and be fine with it coming back with blemishes all over the front. CGC cases are like frames for our comics.

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Ditch Fahrenheit

Ditch Fahrenheit

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On 8/25/2018 at 10:41 AM, Ditch Fahrenheit said:

These were graded on 8/3 and 8/2.

Certification Information

Certification #: 1609449001
Title: Flash
Issue: 323
Issue Date: 7/83
Issue Year: 1983
Publisher: D.C. Comics
Grade: 7.0
Page Quality: WHITE
Grade Date: 08/03/2018
Category: Signature
Art Comments: Cary Bates & Nicola Cuti stories
Infantino, Patton & Giffen art
Infantino & Rodriguez cover
Key Comments: Reverse Flash appearance.
Creeper backup story.
Signatures:

SIGNED BY GRANT GUSTIN ON 6/23/18

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Certification Information

Certification #: 1278363004
Title: Amazing Spider-Man
Issue: 316
Issue Date: 6/89
Issue Year: 1989
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Grade: 9.4
Total Graded At: 388
Page Quality: WHITE
Grade Date: 08/02/2018
Category: Modern
Art Comments: David Michelinie story
Todd McFarlane cover & art
Key Comments: Venom & Black Cat appearance.

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This was graded 8/13

Certification Information

Certification #: 1297622009
Title: Silver Surfer
Issue: 1
Issue Date: 5/14
Issue Year: 2014
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Grade: 9.6
Total Graded At: 15
Page Quality: WHITE
Grade Date: 08/13/2018
Variant: Variant Edition
Category: Modern
Art Comments: Dan Slott story
Michael Allred art
Francesco Francavilla cover
Grader Notes: None Available

 

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skypinkblu

skypinkblu

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This book was graded 

 

Grade Date: 07/13/2018

  I just bought it off eBay, the good thing was, I thought the marks were dirt.  So maybe when the slabs are fixed I can have it reholdered.

I don't know that I will stop shopping, but I will be looking up the numbers to make sure they are older unless I know the seller.. 

Plus side is, "learn something EVERY day;) "

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ADAMANTIUM

ADAMANTIUM

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I don't have my own account

and credit from CGC isn't going to help me....if they reholder my books for "free"

Really kind of messes with my head...

I suppose that I could wait until a con and get them to do it then...

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ADAMANTIUM

ADAMANTIUM

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My LCS owner already did this with CGC for me when the new cases came out, he was nice enough to do it for free, but seriously?

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Ditch Fahrenheit

Ditch Fahrenheit

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4 hours ago, Ditch Fahrenheit said:
On 8/25/2018 at 10:41 AM, Ditch Fahrenheit said:

These were graded on 8/3 and 8/2.

Certification Information

Certification #: 1609449001
Title: Flash
Issue: 323
Issue Date: 7/83
Issue Year: 1983
Publisher: D.C. Comics
Grade: 7.0
Page Quality: WHITE
Grade Date: 08/03/2018
Category: Signature
Art Comments: Cary Bates & Nicola Cuti stories
Infantino, Patton & Giffen art
Infantino & Rodriguez cover
Key Comments: Reverse Flash appearance.
Creeper backup story.
Signatures:

SIGNED BY GRANT GUSTIN ON 6/23/18

HB3SsDx.jpg

Certification Information

Certification #: 1278363004
Title: Amazing Spider-Man
Issue: 316
Issue Date: 6/89
Issue Year: 1989
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Grade: 9.4
Total Graded At: 388
Page Quality: WHITE
Grade Date: 08/02/2018
Category: Modern
Art Comments: David Michelinie story
Todd McFarlane cover & art
Key Comments: Venom & Black Cat appearance.

4Bgo8EZ.jpg

This was graded 8/13

Certification Information

Certification #: 1297622009
Title: Silver Surfer
Issue: 1
Issue Date: 5/14
Issue Year: 2014
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Grade: 9.6
Total Graded At: 15
Page Quality: WHITE
Grade Date: 08/13/2018
Variant: Variant Edition
Category: Modern
Art Comments: Dan Slott story
Michael Allred art
Francesco Francavilla cover
Grader Notes: None Available

 

F7Card8.jpg

This was graded on 8/21 (one week ago).

Certification Information

Certification #: 1990423004
Title: Vampirella
Issue: v4 #8
Issue Date: 2017
Issue Year: 2017
Publisher: Dynamite Entertainment
Grade: 9.8
Total Graded At: 1
Page Quality: WHITE
Grade Date: 08/21/2018
Variant: Variant Cover E
Category: Modern
Art Comments: Jeremy Whitley story
Andy Belanger art
Key Comments: ""Virgin"" photo cover.
Grader Notes: None Available

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The Milkman

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1 hour ago, skypinkblu said:

I don't know that I will stop shopping, but I will be looking up the numbers to make sure they are older unless I know the seller.. 

Books have been coming back with bad newton rings for the last two years.  I don't think targeting books older than early 2018 is going to matter.  I was sending back books to get re-holdered over a year ago...

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Callaway29

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On 8/27/2018 at 2:05 PM, Mr.Mcknowitall said:

I agree. 100%. Not a good business practice, at all. The client did not make the mistake. A TPG should be happy and enthusiastic to get a label error off the street. 

Update: I questioned the partial reimbursement, they relooked it, and decided to reimburse me fully. Good on them. (thumbsu

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Mr.Mcknowitall

Mr.Mcknowitall

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8 hours ago, Callaway29 said:

Update: I questioned the partial reimbursement, they relooked it, and decided to reimburse me fully. Good on them. (thumbsu

Given the latest attention to the issue on these Boards, I am more inclined to state: Good for the customers and Board members that are proactive(thumbsu

Nothing happens in a vacuum, in such matters. The "decision" was response to proactive questioning, including yours. That is a good thing.

It means management is listening.

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