ASM 238 Appreciation/Club Thread
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5 minutes ago, PunisherPunisherPunisher said:

Gotta show the love for 238image.thumb.jpeg.5f14c84be4058ac7ce41e278e0abc93b.jpeg

Looks sharp through the bag!

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3 minutes ago, PunisherPunisherPunisher said:

I will send it in hoping for a 9.8, looks great with no ticks or damage, but who knows these days 

Good luck! 

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Don't really fully follow the signature double cover market or the Canadian newsstand variant edition of the marketplace.  Just wondering if a Canadian variant version of this Spidey 238 in CGC 9.6 condition is worth 2.5X what a signature double cover version would be in the same equivalent CGC 9.6 graded condition:

http://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FDEFAULT.ASP%3FFocused%3D1%26pg%3D5%26x%3D38%26y%3D11%23Item_1271562&id=1271562&itemType=0

https://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?id=782872

I guess the horrid placement of the signatures sometimes can really hurt the value of a book or is it due to the differing auction formats between the 2 auction houses, whereby the CC format tends to encourage bidding to be done at the end during their extended time?  ???

Will be interesting to see where both of these equivalent graded copies end up going for.  hm  :taptaptap:

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5 hours ago, lou_fine said:

Will be interesting to see where both of these equivalent graded copies end up going for.  hm  :taptaptap:

Wow, the CL Canadian newsstand version just popped by $400 with 2 hours to go and is now more than a $1,000 over the the equivalent graded signed double cover copy on the CC website is currently going for.  :whatthe:

Can somebody here who's a CA investor explain this apparent humongous price difference to me here?  ???

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8 minutes ago, lou_fine said:

Wow, the CL Canadian newsstand version just popped by $400 with 2 hours to go and is now more than a $1,000 over the the equivalent graded signed double cover copy on the CC website is currently going for.  :whatthe:

Can somebody here who's a CA investor explain this apparent humongous price difference to me here?  ???

Is the double cover a Canadian price variant too? They've been expensive for all ASM books... check out #252 listings On eBay

I'll admit that I'm a little confused by what you mean by "equivalent" ???

Canadian price variants have been higher than most copies for a while :foryou:

 

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4 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:
12 minutes ago, lou_fine said:

Wow, the CL Canadian newsstand version just popped by $400 with 2 hours to go and is now more than a $1,000 over the the equivalent graded signed double cover copy on the CC website is currently going for.  :whatthe:

Can somebody here who's a CA investor explain this apparent humongous price difference to me here?  ???

Is the double cover a Canadian price variant too? They've been expensive for all ASM books... check out #252 listings On eBay

I'll admit that I'm a little confused by what you mean by "equivalent" ???

Canadian price variants have been higher than most copies for a while :foryou:

Ah after rereading I get it lol

Canadian price variants have been a thing for a minute, but to my knowledge more so with these 2 ASM books #252 & #238. I'll leave it for a more investor savvy person to explain. I just notice it and have accepted it on these 2 books :foryou:

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32 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:
40 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:
48 minutes ago, lou_fine said:

Wow, the CL Canadian newsstand version just popped by $400 with 2 hours to go and is now more than a $1,000 over the the equivalent graded signed double cover copy on the CC website is currently going for.  :whatthe:

Can somebody here who's a CA investor explain this apparent humongous price difference to me here?  ???

Is the double cover a Canadian price variant too? They've been expensive for all ASM books... check out #252 listings On eBay

I'll admit that I'm a little confused by what you mean by "equivalent" ???

Canadian price variants have been higher than most copies for a while :foryou:

Ah after rereading I get it lol

Canadian price variants have been a thing for a minute, but to my knowledge more so with these 2 ASM books #252 & #238. I'll leave it for a more investor savvy person to explain. I just notice it and have accepted it on these 2 books :foryou:

By equivalent, I meant that both of these copies have been graded as CGC 9.6 NM+ copies.

Looks like the Canadian price variant copy has just popped by another $300 and is now running at more than $1,300 over the signed double cover copy on the CC auction website.  I always thought there was also a huge premium paid for signed copies and double cover copies, but it would appear nothing in comparison to a foreign price variant copy.  (shrug)

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2 hours ago, lou_fine said:

By equivalent, I meant that both of these copies have been graded as CGC 9.6 NM+ copies.

Looks like the Canadian price variant copy has just popped by another $300 and is now running at more than $1,300 over the signed double cover copy on the CC auction website.  I always thought there was also a huge premium paid for signed copies and double cover copies, but it would appear nothing in comparison to a foreign price variant copy.  (shrug)

I agree :foryou:

A 9.6 signed double cover sounds more unique to me than a 9.6 Canadian price variants, thanks for pointing the listings out though. Will be curious to see how it ends!

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20 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:
3 hours ago, lou_fine said:

By equivalent, I meant that both of these copies have been graded as CGC 9.6 NM+ copies.

Looks like the Canadian price variant copy has just popped by another $300 and is now running at more than $1,300 over the signed double cover copy on the CC auction website.  I always thought there was also a huge premium paid for signed copies and double cover copies, but it would appear nothing in comparison to a foreign price variant copy.  (shrug)

I agree :foryou:

A 9.6 signed double cover sounds more unique to me than a 9.6 Canadian price variants, thanks for pointing the listings out though. Will be curious to see how it ends!

Exactly my sentiments also, not only in terms of it being an extremely rare double cover book, but also considering its uber HG condition given the fact that it would have been handled and shuffled around between the 3 creators for their signature.  (thumbsu

Wow, it looks like the Canadian price variant copy took a last second jump up to $2,300 or something like almost $2K higher than the current bid for the signed double cover copy on the CC website.  :whatthe:

Looks like the copies of Spidey 300 due to end tomorrow on CC are also all trending a lot lower (so far to this point in time) to what the equivalent graded copies just sold for on the CL website.  In fact, the CGC 9.0 copy of Spidey 300 sold for more than what the CGC 9.2 copy is currently going for on CC.  I wondered if this has something to do with the impression (at least from my point of view) that CL is more of a BA and CA specialist with a much stronger customer base for these books, as compared to CC who is more known for the older more vintage collectible books.  hm  (shrug)

Of course the CC auctions aren't over until tomorrow, so we'll have a much better idea then after their extended bidding time periods (if any) are over.  :taptaptap:

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Nice looking copy! I just sent one in for grading myself. It has some potential for a higher grade, but I'm not getting my hopes up. I'll be happy with a 9.4. 

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I don't think I've ever read this thread before. I love this book, and think that it far surpasses #300 as most important Copper Age Spidey of all. I realize I'm in the distinct minority on that one, and I'm fine with that. I wish I was able to buy in the 80s, as this is a book I would have bought as many as I could find, but by 1990, when I started in earnest, it was already a $20-ish book, and that was far, far too spendy for me to hoard them.

I've owned maybe 30 copies over the years, including a handful of 9.8s. I bought a collection of lower mid-grade copies in maybe 2001? 2002?...off of eBay for $3 each. They're not the prettiest copies, but I still have about 5 of them. 

Here are my latest Sig Series copies:

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The 9.8 I bought at Baltimore in maybe 2015 for $100 at Todd McDevitt's New Dimension booth. Wish I could have gotten Jr's signature at the same time, but I'm not about to crack it to risk another sig. ;)

This is one of those "If I could own a long box, I would" books.

 

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There was a time, from 1990-1992, when Hobby was the hottest Spidey villain of all. I know some may not believe this, but it was "Venom, who...?" for quite a while. Hobby ruled the roost, to the point that ANY Hobgoblin appearance, no matter how trivial, was enough to sell tons of books. It was madness for Hobby. Someone mentioned Spectacular Spiderman #85 earlier....that was a $25 book in the Overstreet Update by 1991. Web #38 and #48, Spec #147, 161-163, and, of course, ASM #238, 239, 244, 245, 249-251, 260-261, 275-278, 284, 286, 289, 312, and of course, Spiderman vs. Wolverine, all smokin' hot.

I feel like they really dropped the ball by killing Ned Leeds, and as some of you might recall, Leeds was NOT who Stern had in mind for Hobby. But, editors change, and Leeds was it, and then after the Foreigner killed off Leeds...in pathetically easy fashion...Macendale assumed the mantle, and then it just fell apart. 

There was so much potential for the character, especially in the interaction between Harry and Hobby, but it just got silly and convoluted, which was a terrible shame. 

Interestingly enough Hobby was so hot, even Macendale's first appearance in Machine Man #19 as The Great Pumpkin, er, Jack O'Lantern became a hot book for a bit. Great Miller cover n that one, by the way.

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13 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

I don't think I've ever read this thread before. I love this book, and think that it far surpasses #300 as most important Copper Age Spidey of all. I realize I'm in the distinct minority on that one, and I'm fine with that. I wish I was able to buy in the 80s, as this is a book I would have bought as many as I could find, but by 1990, when I started in earnest, it was already a $20-ish book, and that was far, far too spendy for me to hoard them.

I've owned maybe 30 copies over the years, including a handful of 9.8s. I bought a collection of lower mid-grade copies in maybe 2001? 2002?...off of eBay for $3 each. They're not the prettiest copies, but I still have about 5 of them. 

Here are my latest Sig Series copies:

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s-l1600.jpg

The 9.8 I bought at Baltimore in maybe 2015 for $100 at Todd McDevitt's New Dimension booth. Wish I could have gotten Jr.s signature at the same time, but I'm not about to crack it to risk another sig. ;)

This is one of those "If I could own a long box, I would" books.

 

Hey those are awesome!! @RockMyAmadeus

Thanks for the stories too, that's a lot of copies!

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Agree with RMA about Hobgoblin being a missed opportunity. The Green Goblin was long dead, Spider-Man had no real nemesis for awhile and suddenly this new villain arrives and has everybody going gaga over him. Who is the Hobgoblin was a huge storyline. Hobgoblin could have been the next great Spidey villain. It was so disappointing for him to be Ned Leeds and killed off so disappointingly. 

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Don't worry, I am sure Marvel already has the Red Hobgoblin arc planned..........

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