Faithless #1 "DO NOT ENCAPSULATE"
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Get a room.

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12 hours ago, namisgr said:

Get a room.

Only if you'll make it a threesome...:luhv:

 

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12 hours ago, DavidTheDavid said:

Those two at it again?

:sumo:

:tonofbricks:

Oh, no, I'm just having fun trying to decipher what that guy says. It's like the literary version of "Where's Waldo?"

:cloud9:

 

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13 hours ago, namisgr said:

Get a room.

13 hours ago, DavidTheDavid said:

Those two at it again?

:sumo:

:tonofbricks:

Thank you for this.  Really.  :foryou:

I've had a busy day with the family, which gave me some time to reflect on this mess (that I've admittedly had a hand in creating).  I don't want to waste my life sitting in front of a keyboard constantly defending myself against this troll.  Unlike some, I don't have the luxury or energy to argue with people online 24/7/365.  Nor is it fair to subject others to this circus act, as this individual gravitates towards every post I make on these boards.

If people take exception to my posts or claim to have the comprehension of a 2nd grader, that is their issue and not my own.  You won't get another reply on that matter from me.

 

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22 minutes ago, masterlogan2000 said:

Thank you for this.  Really.  :foryou:

I've had a busy day with the family, which gave me some time to reflect on this mess (that I've admittedly had a hand in creating).  I don't want to waste my life sitting in front of a keyboard constantly defending myself against this troll.  Unlike some, I don't have the luxury or energy to argue with people online 24/7/365.  Nor is it fair to subject others to this circus act, as this individual gravitates towards every post I make on these boards.

If people take exception to my posts or claim to have the comprehension of a 2nd grader, that is their issue and not my own.  You won't get another reply on that matter from me.

 

This is not a fair summation of the events of this thread. It is completely inaccurate to claim that I "gravitate towards every post you make on these boards." That is just not true. In point of fact, I have made the effort to avoid you and your posts for quite some time now. Again: I was already an active and current participant in this thread at the time of your initial post. You are not a victim. 

Here's what I would like to suggest, as I suggest to everyone who has a problem with me or anyone: use the ignore function. Leave me be. Don't refer to or about me. That includes not "like"ing comments disparaging me. Just pretend that I don't exist. I will absolutely do the same, as I have for others over the years. There is no one...not a single person...on this board with whom I have interacted or referred to after we both agreed not to interact, when they have held up their end of the agreement too. And join your voice to the request for a comprehensive "ignore" feature, a la Quora or Facebook, where no one can see your posts if you don't want them to. 

This stuff...it's unhealthy and toxic. It doesn't serve any good purpose. Let's both mutually agree to not interact, and be done with it. If everyone did that...this board would be a far better place.

Edited by RockMyAmadeus

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:popcorn:

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Hey this ignore thing is beautiful.  I cant see RMA at all.:cloud9:

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On 6/22/2019 at 1:40 PM, masterlogan2000 said:

People may disagree with the stance that CGC has taken here.

 

True.

On 6/22/2019 at 1:40 PM, masterlogan2000 said:

  But, the fact of the matter is that it is completely within their rights as a private entity to take whatever stance they want (or change or make exceptions to that stance). 

True.

On 6/22/2019 at 1:40 PM, masterlogan2000 said:

This is the only argument that can be made here

 

False.

On 6/22/2019 at 1:40 PM, masterlogan2000 said:

,and the only argument that actually matters.

 

False.

On 6/22/2019 at 1:40 PM, masterlogan2000 said:

There are a lot of opinions being shared in this thread.

 

True.

On 6/22/2019 at 1:40 PM, masterlogan2000 said:

There are a lot of people who are pushing their own personal beliefs as reasons for why CGC should/shouldn't grade these types of covers. 

 

Including this one.

On 6/22/2019 at 1:40 PM, masterlogan2000 said:

NONE of this matters.

 

To whom?

On 6/22/2019 at 1:40 PM, masterlogan2000 said:

Our opinions carry no weight with regards to shaping CGC policy.

 

Mostly False.

On 6/22/2019 at 1:40 PM, masterlogan2000 said:

We should stop acting like our enthusiasm and loyalty to CGC entitles us as part owners of the company with voting rights on all decisions they make.

 

Yes and no.

On 6/22/2019 at 1:40 PM, masterlogan2000 said:

Clearly this is not the case.

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False.

On 6/22/2019 at 1:40 PM, masterlogan2000 said:

Everyone should respect the fact that, as a private company, CGC is free to grade (or not grade) whatever books they choose... even if you disagree with the position that they've taken.

Did someone make the point that they can't? Did I miss that?

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7 hours ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

Oakman, don't you ever get tired of defending the wrong side and championing those who are creating the conflict...while creating some yourself? It's amazing that an appeal to find a way to peacefully co-exist with someone is characterized as "bullying." It's Bizarro level reasoning. And once again, we're back to discussing interpersonal nonsense, in which nobody is interested. 

If someone's "enormous walls of texts (sic)" bother you...why are you reading them? 

Man, I LOVE the ignore function. I just wish it blocked nested quotes too!

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One of the great things about this forum... one of the few good things left actually... is that it gives people a chance to discuss the policies of CGC and how it directly changes their use and perceptions of the service. It is beneficial to CGC AND the customer. 

Example: CGC might decide that they no longer want to answer the phone. It's a new policy. 'Sorry, we've decided we no longer answer the phone at CGC Headquarters.' We can look at this as 'the fact of the matter is that it is completely within their rights as a private entity to take whatever stance they want (or change or make exceptions to that stance)' and that 'This is the only argument that can be made here' BUT if CGC loses 'x' amount of customers who go to Brand 'X' because they DO answer the phone over there, then the purpose of having a forum is completely missed and renders it useless. They could have saved themselves a great deal of business by hearing the obvious dissatisfaction with a new policy, instead of possibly losing that business for good.

NOW... I get it. That's not going to happen with THIS topic. Sexuality in America is still a frightening idea to many people. Erotica is a dirty thing. Doesn't change the fact that, it's a GOOD thing for CGC to be aware of what kind of demand, regardless of how non-mainstream it is, just for future reference. It's perfectly within THEIR right to want to know. Because you never know. 

There was a time when the demand for encapsulated comics was a pretty small and controversial idea too.

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1 hour ago, Chuck Gower said:

One of the great things about this forum... one of the few good things left actually... is that it gives people a chance to discuss the policies of CGC and how it directly changes their use and perceptions of the service. It is beneficial to CGC AND the customer. 

Example: CGC might decide that they no longer want to answer the phone. It's a new policy. 'Sorry, we've decided we no longer answer the phone at CGC Headquarters.' We can look at this as 'the fact of the matter is that it is completely within their rights as a private entity to take whatever stance they want (or change or make exceptions to that stance)' and that 'This is the only argument that can be made here' BUT if CGC loses 'x' amount of customers who go to Brand 'X' because they DO answer the phone over there, then the purpose of having a forum is completely missed and renders it useless. They could have saved themselves a great deal of business by hearing the obvious dissatisfaction with a new policy, instead of possibly losing that business for good.

NOW... I get it. That's not going to happen with THIS topic. Sexuality in America is still a frightening idea to many people. Erotica is a dirty thing. Doesn't change the fact that, it's a GOOD thing for CGC to be aware of what kind of demand, regardless of how non-mainstream it is, just for future reference. It's perfectly within THEIR right to want to know. Because you never know. 

There was a time when the demand for encapsulated comics was a pretty small and controversial idea too.

Great post, Chuck. Customer feedback is vital to the success of any business. If CGC doesn't know there's an issue...they can't even begin to address it, regardless of their ultimate conclusion. And, in business, there's not really any such thing as an "ultimate conclusion" regarding policy. 

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1 hour ago, Chuck Gower said:

One of the great things about this forum... one of the few good things left actually... is that it gives people a chance to discuss the policies of CGC and how it directly changes their use and perceptions of the service. It is beneficial to CGC AND the customer. 

Example: CGC might decide that they no longer want to answer the phone. It's a new policy. 'Sorry, we've decided we no longer answer the phone at CGC Headquarters.' We can look at this as 'the fact of the matter is that it is completely within their rights as a private entity to take whatever stance they want (or change or make exceptions to that stance)' and that 'This is the only argument that can be made here' BUT if CGC loses 'x' amount of customers who go to Brand 'X' because they DO answer the phone over there, then the purpose of having a forum is completely missed and renders it useless. They could have saved themselves a great deal of business by hearing the obvious dissatisfaction with a new policy, instead of possibly losing that business for good.

NOW... I get it. That's not going to happen with THIS topic. Sexuality in America is still a frightening idea to many people. Erotica is a dirty thing. Doesn't change the fact that, it's a GOOD thing for CGC to be aware of what kind of demand, regardless of how non-mainstream it is, just for future reference. It's perfectly within THEIR right to want to know. Because you never know. 

There was a time when the demand for encapsulated comics was a pretty small and controversial idea too.

Great post Chuck! You were concise to the point and did it all in one post :)

likely cgc's stance on this has evolved, even since I've been here there have been things that weren't allowed for cgc and eventually were (thumbsu

even concerning different type labels :whee:

 

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I’m sure customer feedback and a bunch of free focus grouping is why this forum is here in the first place

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On 6/22/2019 at 2:27 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

In your opinion! :D

I think this thread has taught us this: opinions are like buttholes: you can't slab either of them.

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2 minutes ago, F For Fake said:

I think this thread has taught us this: opinions are like buttholes: you can't slab either of them.

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17 hours ago, Chuck Gower said:

Example: CGC might decide that they no longer want to answer the phone. It's a new policy. 'Sorry, we've decided we no longer answer the phone at CGC Headquarters.' We can look at this as 'the fact of the matter is that it is completely within their rights as a private entity to take whatever stance they want (or change or make exceptions to that stance)' and that 'This is the only argument that can be made here' BUT if CGC loses 'x' amount of customers who go to Brand 'X' because they DO answer the phone over there, then the purpose of having a forum is completely missed and renders it useless. They could have saved themselves a great deal of business by hearing the obvious dissatisfaction with a new policy, instead of possibly losing that business for good.

Chuck, thanks for the well thought out words here, even if it's in disagreement with my original post.

In your example, however, is it really the opinions that would have swayed CGC to change their stance?  Or, is it the loss of business due to the original stance they've taken?  There is a GREAT point of distinction between the two.

What if I were to reframe your example just slightly?  Let's say that CGC no longer answers the phone, and people voice their disapproval right here on these boards.  However, what if it was determined that there was no loss of customers due to this new "no phone calls" policy?  There's plenty of discontent, as expressed by all of the opinions on these open forums.  However, no customers have been lost, and CGC has saved a ton of money on customer support costs.

What should CGC do in that case?  Essentially, as a private company, where do their obligations lie... with a select group posting their the opinions online or to their own bottom line?   If a policy has been proven to help their profitability, even if some people have complained about it, would it make sense to change that policy?    Shouldn't CGC make their decisions based on data, metrics, and their own bottom line, and not on the opinions expressed on a message board?  I believe it would be irresponsible as a company to operate any other way.

 

You may say that my tweaking of your example is far fetched.  That's fair, but would miss the point I'm trying to make.  Opinions, at their core, are just that... opinions.  On their own, they do not matter.  However, occasionally you do run across a situation in which those opinions happen to align with the best interests of the company.  In those cases, can you really say that it was the opinion that actually swayed the policy... or was it simply that the opinion just happen to align with the company's best interests?

And I get it.  Everyone wants to feel as if their opinion matters and that their voices are being heard.  I'm sure that contributed to the strong reaction to my original post.  But, I'll say it again.  We have no ownership stake in CGC.  People making statements such as "I don't want CGC associated with pornography" is just folly.  This is an opinion.  This is not a vote.  The last I checked, none of us are sitting on the Board of Directors at the CGC offices.  Therefore, there is only one effective way to enact change.  If you disagree with the policy, then vote with your wallet.

Edited by masterlogan2000

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Posted (edited)
16 hours ago, Chuck Gower said:

One of the great things about this forum... one of the few good things left actually... is that it gives people a chance to discuss the policies of CGC and how it directly changes their use and perceptions of the service. It is beneficial to CGC AND the customer. 

I completely agree with this sentiment, as these boards do give us a forum to express our displeasure and attempt to enact changes.  Despite how one individual has tried to change my narrative, I think this is a wonderful thing!

I still contend that CGC makes decisions based on their own metrics and have a responsibility only to their own bottom line.  But, sometimes they need to be steered in the right direction as to why that bottom line is shrinking.  How else will they know unless they read the opinions expressed here?  As @dupont2005 has pointed out, this place is like an enormous focus group where CGC can collect loads of customer feedback.  

But make no mistake.  That feedback is used to shape profitability, not to appease the customer... unless of course, the appeasement of the customer increases profitability (which happens frequently).  

Edited by masterlogan2000

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